Why does THF have enmity stealing JA, and PLD does not?

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Originally Posted by Oakrest

Did you read my posts? I did mention, "I'm not suggesting here that giving Collab/Accomp to PLD will fix it's enmity situation - it won't. Collab/accomp only really seem effective as a quick Provoke-like function when a DD like a BLM temporarily exceeds the cumulative enmity. PLD needs a more permanent solution... ". Collab/Accomp might only help a thf save another player in a pinch, and even then it's not reliable. But again, that's not the point - the point is that this is energy spent in all the wrong places, and in all the wrong way.

I go on to mention more in that section too. This thread is about trying to understand what THF has any enimity controll JA at all (at least that 'steals' enmity) - the point is, SE isn't putting intelligent thought into this.

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And if you read and understood my post, you will see that I answered it for you

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Originally Posted by Flyinghippress

In all fairness THF does make a very good tank inside Abyssea and in some cases outside of it as well.

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I tank on my THF more than anything simply because its BETTER at it.


The problem with PLD's is not JA's or spells or anything they do. EVERYTHING wrong with tanking is the hate cap. Until the PLD has a way to reliably go above capped threat DD's then it won't be fixed.

The threat cap is what is killing "tanking"

SE's response to PLD struggling with the hate cap = SCH's new 2 hour ability.

Now they just need to make a series of events where if you're going to take a SCH to 2 hour, it's not better to leave the PLD out, use more DDs and Embrava instead lol.

If they are unwilling to raise the cap, then PLD needs a "Lock" ability that causes the mob to attack only them for 30 sec. Give the ability 3-5 min recast, which can be lowered with merits. It won't fix the hate cap, but it would make PLD useful.

Something like Champion 30 second recast ability that does a reverse provoke on the mob every 30 seconds.

Instead of adding hate to himself this ability reduces the hate of others in the targets hate pool. This ability would never add much hate to the tank it would just make the enemy think less of others on it's hate list. If two or more tanks use on an enemy it it'll reduce the hate on the first player but also further reduce the hate of others in it's hate pool.

This ability isn't about adding hate it's about reducing it.

Runic Knight might have a similar aura effect that rapidly lowers the enmity of others in his/her range.

Mark my words the Runic Knight will be getting this ability under a different name.