I agree 100% because of this my wife and I will never be able to play FFXI again. Why can't SE accept paypal directly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
Ultimate Pay and Paypal
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10-03-2014, 12:41 PMDarkStoneDragon
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10-03-2014, 01:36 PMFenrirs_Takumi
Holy crap... i'm screwed. i am paying with vanilla mastercards..... i dont do buisness with paypal cause they F'ed me to many times. the money gets taken, says the manifacturer did not get the money and i end up receiving the money 1~2 months later.
How am i going to Pay for FFXI now. If they knew months ago. they should've at least prepared to the fact that prolly half their players are using another methods because they have Prepaid card, or use Pay Pal. I really do hope they fix it soon. -
10-03-2014, 03:43 PMFeary
olor, my understanding was that paypal was available thru ultimatepay.
when you choose the option to buy crysta, it asked to select from two options CC or ultimate pay, then you(and me) selected other (not game cards, which is why we thought it was different) and there was paypal to pay playspan who paid S.E.
so since playspan and s,e dont deal with eachother no more we are screwed. -
10-03-2014, 10:27 PMAfaniaThey said they're eliminating Ultimate Game Card or UltimatePoints as a method of payment to purchase Crysta... I copied the info directly from the link. So they did mentioned that you can no longer buy UltimatePoints, it's just that you didn't know you're using Paypal to buy UltimatePoints all these time. Paypal isn't a direct payment option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
There are only 2 payment method after SE no longer use Click and buy. First being direct payment through global collect using a credit card, 2nd one being paying through UltimatePay(playspan). Paypal isn't a direct payment option if I remember correctly, it's a payment option to pay UltimatePay.
If I remember correctly, you can only select paypal option in "add crysta" after you click UltimatePay service isn't it? It's add crysta---> select amount of crysta----> select CC direct payment or UltimatePay---> Paypal option.
If UltimatePay is no longer working as a service, obviously Paypal won't be an option as well.
Note that paypal is just one of the option to pay playspan, out of many. And the options available depend on the region. For example, if you try to buy Ultimate points in middle east or Asia, the options that'd appear after you select "UltimatePay" will be drastically different from the US. If you use UltimatePay in a region without paypal service, you probably won't see Paypal option at all.
So it's kinda too much to ask SE to list every single payment option that'd be eliminated after UltimatePay service retire. Informing ppl that UltimatePay option would retire, is the same as saying any payment option tied to it would retire as well. -
10-04-2014, 01:23 AMOlor
If they knew it was coming for months (I didn't cause I didn't really use ultimate cards) that should have been enough time to set up paypal directly.
Not sure why people are defending SE removing a popular payment method without clear notice (sorry but expecting everyone to decode "no UGC" to mean no paypal is ludicrous)
I guess folks want the game to have an even lower population. Not everyone is going to jump through hoops to pay some other way. Many people simply don't have another way of paying. -
10-04-2014, 03:34 AMFearywell i dont think anyone was trying to defend it, it was more of an explanation of how we got here from the S.E post. basically trying to translate it for you, but because youre upset you are just ranting (which im highly upset too). youre also saying things that dont make real sense and blasting your opinions on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
when i dont think s.e really had anything to do with the this directly, and you're blaming them indirectly for not take charge and making an alternative. at the end the of the day, s.e is a business and can chooses directly what payment methods to accept and indirectly deny ppl who cant meet those requirements. its no different than a store denying you service. it is inconvenient and aggravating. sometimes morally wrong but in the end thier right. we just hope they come to decision that will benefit us both. (by adding another way to pay with paypal) -
10-04-2014, 03:45 AMVasch
Several of our LS members have run into a 401/406 error when trying to pay with the SE method and nothing but Paypal has ever worked for them. Even SE figuring that errpr out would allow these people to keep playing, but they literally have no ability to pay as it stands now.
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10-04-2014, 05:49 AMAfaniaBecause SE never offered paypal option, it's the option offered by playspan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
Therefore it really isn't their fault not to accept it.
I'm not sure why it's so hard to tell No UGC= No paypal though, you're the one using the UGC option all these time, surely you know that you clicked the "UltimatePay" function before entering your paypal info.
I wasn't defending for SE, since I have CC issue and have been using UltimatePay for years as well. I do think this game needs some sort of game time code as a payment method. But it certainly isn't SE's fault that paypal is no longer usable in this case, they can't do a thing about playspan ending their service and it's unreasonable to ask them to list every single playspan payment option and tell you "This won't work after Sept" since it's a lot of work to check out every playspan payment option exist in every region. -
10-04-2014, 08:19 AMOlorI've heard a lot of people say the same thing. I don't understand why SE doesn't seem to want our money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasch
How isn't it their fault? They have had months to set up a direct billing set up with paypal. Are you suggesting SE can't work directly with paypal to offer billing?Quote:
I wasn't defending for SE, since I have CC issue and have been using UltimatePay for years as well. I do think this game needs some sort of game time code as a payment method. But it certainly isn't SE's fault that paypal is no longer usable in this case, they can't do a thing about playspan ending their service and it's unreasonable to ask them to list every single playspan payment option and tell you "This won't work after Sept" since it's a lot of work to check out every playspan payment option exist in every region.
Also it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that paypal was the most popular option on that list. I don't see anyone complaining about no hyperwallet or w/e I doubt almost anyone used any of those.
They could have been more specific. -
10-04-2014, 09:13 AMAfaniaI used UltimatePay but I don't pay UltimatePay with paypal nor game card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olor
This is just the rule thing, they either list every payment option equally or don't do it at all. Of course they wouldn't KNOW* which option is the most popular one since they don't own playspan nor provide the service.
Paypal was actually never a direct payment service in entire FFXI history, maybe they just don't use it for other reasons. It was available simply because playspan offered the option.