SMN Atmas

Thanks everyone for the info I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.^^

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MAB : Ultimate, Minikin/Hell's Guardian and Beyond/Any "Major" Elemental Dmg Atma if you have merited something else than Heavenly Strike.

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This is what I'm confused about what's better a MAB major or an 'element' attack + major atma for 75 BP? Would 3 MAB be better than 2 MAB & an 'element' attack + or would 2 'element' attack + & 1 MAB do more damage?

So for PC it's just crit rate all the way over anything else & for avatar tanking DG/Savour/MC or a mix of those & DD or refresh kk thanks.

Thanks Dallas for clearing that up about DG for me I did miss it. ><

Avatars guard? I did not know this though I guess since their damage is H2H it makes sense. Out of curiosity do they do the guard animation because I have never noticed it lol.

“Enhances all status effects” on savour gives 30 to all your base stats (MND, STR etc.)?

What if just what if

Atma of the GM= Turns you pet into 5 GM body guards that are as big as bahumut and can one shout gm's or gods!!!!!! But cant kill Mandies or rabbits o.o;;

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Originally Posted by Strife

This is what I'm confused about what's better a MAB major or an 'element' attack + major atma for 75 BP? Would 3 MAB be better than 2 MAB & an 'element' attack + or would 2 'element' attack + & 1 MAB do more damage?

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MAB supreme > element major > MAB major

To my knowledge, an Atma with "Elemental ATK Major" (+40%) is better/stronger than an Atma with "MAB Superior" (+50 MAB). Thunderstorm does more dmg with Minikin + Lion + Blinding Horn than Minikin + Lion/Blinding Horn + Ultimate.

Savior gives +30 to all stats (STR, VIT etc... but not HP and MP) on both the player and pet. What makes it so good for Smn is the "Occasionally absorbs damage taken". When it procs (which is common), avatar take the full dmg : Something hitting an avatar (with Ducal Guard) for 30~ dmg will sometimes heal it for 300~ dmg. It's also very nice against NMs relying on heavy magical AoE (like Azdaja and his Cyclone Wing / aga IV) since your avatar has a small chance of surviving/being healed.
While Mountain Champion is a good atma, it sacrifices too much fire power for the sole purpose of having to recall our avatar the less possible. (in my opinion but it's still a great atma)

Mounted Champion is an "easy" atma. That's its purpose. :)

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Originally Posted by Papesse

To my knowledge, an Atma with "Elemental ATK Major" (+40%) is better/stronger than an Atma with "MAB Superior" (+50 MAB). Thunderstorm does more dmg with Minikin + Lion + Blinding Horn than Minikin + Lion/Blinding Horn + Ultimate.

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I personally tested Smoldering, Lone Wolf, and Beyond to be 30%. A source that I trusted tested Lion/Blinding horn to be 30%. Gales, many sources reported to be 30%, but I didn't verify myself. I had previously assumed that all major attack atmas were 30%, but another source reports that some may be 40%. I plan to go through and check all the atmas that I have once the servers come back up.

Assuming 30% damage increase, you'd need 66 MAB (without ultimate) for Lion/Blinding horn to be equal in damage. More MAB and Lion is better. Less and Ultimate is better.
Assuming 30% damage increase, You'd need 116 MAB (without ultimate) for Ultimate + 1 of (Lion/Blinding horn) to equal Lion+Blinding Horn.


Assuming 40% damage increase, you'd need 25 MAB (without ultimate) for Lion/Blinding horn to be equal in damage.
Assuming 40% damage increase, You'd need 30 MAB (without ultimate) for Ultimate + 1 of (Lion/Blinding horn) to equal Lion+Blinding Horn.

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Originally Posted by Strife

This is what I'm confused about what's better a MAB major or an 'element' attack + major atma for 75 BP? Would 3 MAB be better than 2 MAB & an 'element' attack + or would 2 'element' attack + & 1 MAB do more damage?

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From my experience, 3 MAB atmas (beyond, ultimate, baying moon) is MAB overkill; either you hit the cap or there's seriously diminishing returns. It would provide the same damage, or less, as beyond, ultimate, minikin. Best bet is to go as much +% for the particular element, as that does not have a hard/soft cap; things like INT and MAB do, obviously.

My current Heavenly Strike cap with MM/Ultimate/Beyond is about 5.3k with 3/5 +2 (head,body,legs), rest AF3+1, and MAB+2 staff. That is, of course, aside the crazy random blood boon procs (ie: 7760 Heavenly Strike to a dhalmel in [A]Altep).

Don't underestimate the power of Lion/Blinding Horn and Ramuh's Thunderstorm. You can get some very impressive damage off of it, especially with merits and mana cede.

I will also check once the servers are back. I'm 99% certain MM + Lion + Blinding Horn beats MM + Ultimate + Lion or even Ultimate + Lion + Blinding Horn. (and 100% sure MM + Claw outdmg MM + Ultimate for Geocrush, with or without Baying Moon)

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Originally Posted by Strife

Thanks Dallas for clearing that up about DG for me I did miss it. ><

Avatars guard? I did not know this though I guess since their damage is H2H it makes sense. Out of curiosity do they do the guard animation because I have never noticed it lol.

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No animation at 100% guard rate. Now we know. :)