HNMs and the future of FFXI

I also like HNMs, as do several other people. But this particular horse is deader than most other horses in this forum, which is saying a lot. It'll just escalate, people from the one camp will say HNM are retarded and everyone liking them are retarded, then the other camp will accuse the first camp of being gimps and noobs for not claiming mobs, then the first camp will accuse them of cheating and botting, and it will all culminate with people insulting each other's mothers at some point. Nothing has ever been so predictable. Just stop it now and save everyone a headache. The suggestion has been made, it's up to the development team to see what they'll do about it.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

no one wants HNM...

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I'd imagine lots of people still want HNM. Maybe not the "sit in a tree and come back from afk every 30 minutes" kind, but stuff like Dark Ixion and Sandworm were unique in that they spawned nearly anywhere, so for the most part everyone was on an equal playing field as far as claiming goes. Actually killing it when you got it on the other hand is another story, and the truly dedicated and skilled linkshells were able to take it down and get some of the best loot in the game, designed for the best players in the game.

The majority of people on this forum don't want HNM though, even if they've never ever done them. This is a very casual forum full of casual players (not necessarily a bad thing) that feel everyone is entitled to all of the best gear no matter what. Bad at the game? Here, have the best gear! Great at the game? Here, have the best gear!

I for one don't share that opinion though, and firmly believe that there should be certain gear that's only available to the truly elite who deserve the best for being the best.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

btw (/ja "Chi Blast" <stnpc>) or gtfo

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Who the hell used MNKs back then? (We sure as hell didn't)

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Originally Posted by Habu

I'll assume you probably never really efficiently claimed HNMs before so you've probably never experienced the thrill of claiming one way back when.

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I experienced the "thrill" of claiming NMs. No I didn't. I was there day after day after day, and we were pretty successful, but here was no "thrill." The only thing close to a positive emotion I got from the process was a sense of relief. I was relieved when the NM finally spawned. I was relieved when it finally died. I was relieved when something finally dropped. There was no "thrill." There was no gambler's high or whatever you want to call it. All I ever got was "Thank God that's over!"

The BEST feeling for me is simply knowing that I have friends willing to help me do the things I want to do. That's a much better feeling than beating someone else to the punch on some NM.

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People actually took pride in the gear they obtained then because it actually took some effort to get it.

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Did I appreciate and take pride in what I accomplished back then? Of course. Mostly that was due to my LS-mates believing that I deserved what dropped, and had little to do with the actual process. I feel just as much pride now when I obtain something from Abyssea or when I scrounge up the gil to buy something nice off the AH. The pride is that I have done something to improve my character. I have taken a step forward. That's all I really need.

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It adds a sense of competition that the game is lacking in an endgame setting not including PvP.

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Competition is fine as long as it's friendly. Aery Wars were not. How many otherwise decent people did you have to /blist simply so they wouldn't try to screw with you while claiming NMs? And how many had to do the same for you and your LS? How many times did you LOL at some LS that had a bad time with an NM? Heck sometimes the venom got really personal between rival LSes. What kind of community does that build? It may build camaraderie within an LS, but it creates incredible animosity between them. That kind of competition just isn't worth it.

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What's the difference from sitting at a camp waiting for a NM pop rather than sitting in Port Jeuno waiting for a VW shout? Nothing.

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One could easily turn that statement back around on you, but I won't. The difference is that in Jeuno I have options. I have a lot more freedom than if I'm stuck in Aery for 3 hours. It's a lot easier in Jeuno to say "This isn't working out. Screw it, I'm doing something else."

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I experienced the "thrill" of claiming NMs. No I didn't. I was there day after day after day, and we were pretty successful, but here was no "thrill." The only thing close to a positive emotion I got from the process was a sense of relief. I was relieved when the NM finally spawned. I was relieved when it finally died. I was relieved when something finally dropped. There was no "thrill." There was no gambler's high or whatever you want to call it. All I ever got was "Thank God that's over!"

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If you didn't have that experience then no one would twist your arm and make you do it again. As I've stated people who want to play the game "hardcore" would have something to do. If this doesn't apply to you then don't do it? Simple concept.

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Did I appreciate and take pride in what I accomplished back then? Of course. Mostly that was due to my LS-mates believing that I deserved what dropped, and had little to do with the actual process. I feel just as much pride now when I obtain something from Abyssea or when I scrounge up the gil to buy something nice off the AH. The pride is that I have done something to improve my character. I have taken a step forward. That's all I really need.

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I hardly can compare obtaining a piece of gear from Abyssea to getting some big from old HNM, DI/SW etc. That's me though and everyone has their own opinion.

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Competition is fine as long as it's friendly. Aery Wars were not. How many otherwise decent people did you have to /blist simply so they wouldn't try to screw with you while claiming NMs? And how many had to do the same for you and your LS? How many times did you LOL at some LS that had a bad time with an NM? Heck sometimes the venom got really personal between rival LSes. What kind of community does that build? It may build camaraderie within an LS, but it creates incredible animosity between them. That kind of competition just isn't worth it.

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Sorry but I've never /blisted anyone, regardless of how annoying they may be. Friendly competition is something you do amongst friends not something you do against "rivals". Regardless if you hated one another there was still some level of respect that was transferred in the process. How many times have I LOL'd at a LS having trouble with a NM? The same amount of times I've LOL'd at people doing other retarded things in the game.

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One could easily turn that statement back around on you, but I won't. The difference is that in Jeuno I have options. I have a lot more freedom than if I'm stuck in Aery for 3 hours. It's a lot easier in Jeuno to say "This isn't working out. Screw it, I'm doing something else."

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Turn my own point against me? I was simply stating you've traded in sitting in DA for sitting in PJ, I don't know exactly how that can be turned around but ok. There's other options rather than sitting and camping, such as don't camp the NMs. Although I'm getting the suspicion that if HNM were ever to be released that you would camp them just to have that "top teir" gear.

Guys look as his post count. Guaranteed he's from the place that shall not be named and only trolling for something to post in the Media forum.

Yes I post on BG and FFXIAH, no I'm not trolling. This is a direct place for devs to read player feedback which is why I posted here.

We are ALOT of players to miss World Pop old school drama HNM, even if on this forum most of users just love casual gameplay...
I really would like REAL HNM back with Skillchain > magicburst mechanics (fuck Perfect Defence -> Zerg)
FFXI is just boring currently, and since i have all items i wanted, i don't have anymore goal in this game and this is sad...

We need unattainable/ultra hard goals... SE and Casual players have to understand that

Its my thread here about this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-Lv99%E2%80%8F

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Originally Posted by Habu

Guess you're all just too casual to understand

Edit: Just tired of mobs where all you have to do is proc > kill or pop a brew.

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What i don't get is all you ppl who talk about the game being on 'easy mode' now. Now you'll prolly just say my following suggestion is <insert derisive adjective here>, but so be it.


Have you guys craving for the uber challenge thought to try and do Abyssea content without all the killer buffs?


No Atma. No cruore buffs. No intentional trying for procs. No use of temps. No popping chests? Sounds pretty hardcore to me. When you enter Abyssea, you are not forced to get anything other than time. Well, what do you think Habu? Care to give it a try? Care to find 17 other ppl that want to give it a shot?

I doubt it, because its so much easier to sit back and ride the "lolbyssea is too easy" train when taking full advantage of the perks available in those zones. Isn't it?

Reminds me of the days of ToAU when ppl were so puffed up and mighty and saying how Assault was a complete joke...but the never tried using any of the settings other than uncapped when starting a mission. Or how in general. the FFXI community will figure out the bare minimum amount of jobs/ppl needed to complete a task then proudly proclaim the event "Too weak".

Challenges are there if ppl want them. Truth is most of the ppl clamoring for that challenge will opt out of it in a heartbeat when easier options arise.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Turn my own point against me? I was simply stating you've traded in sitting in DA for sitting in PJ, I don't know exactly how that can be turned around but ok.

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You said that there's no difference in sitting in Jeuno waiting for a shout and sitting in Aery waiting for a spawn. If there's no difference then you shouldn't have a problem sitting in Jeuno waiting for a shout. That's how the point can be turned back on you.

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There's other options rather than sitting and camping, such as don't camp the NMs.

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Do or don't is pretty lame as options go.

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Although I'm getting the suspicion that if HNM were ever to be released that you would camp them just to have that "top teir" gear.

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Hell no. I do the best I can with events that I can find enjoyment in or on the AH. If I don't find something fun I'm not doing it. I've grown as a person and evolved as a gamer. I won't sacrifice my happiness and sanity for shinies anymore. I won't return to a system that I have to schedule my life around. I'm just letting SE know that if they want to implement content like that it's wasted on me and anyone who thinks like me. With their limited manpower and resources they need to know where to focus them to please the most people. Well, assuming they care about that.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I don't think anybody misses...

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I miss it, and I know many other people who do (that don't post on the forums).

But unfortunately, OP, people on these forums can't fathom the possibility of multiple types of end-game content. Infact, they detest the idea of world spawn HNM so much - that they can't understand how other people might enjoy it - and if they do understand it, they'll slate it anyway because they themselves don't like it.

It wouldn't even be so bad if they introduced HNM that did -NOT- have unique drops, but rather drops also available in other places so that no one is forced to take part in HNM. (The same way Ridill, Ebody, etc should have been added to KS99 Wyrm back at level 75)

As Arcon pointed out above, though, it's never going to happen. Give up and move on, if such a thing were introduced to the game again the vocal minority on the forums would shit their pants and all hell would break loose.