Do you even understand how GoV works??? Clearly you don't have a clue. First you want to build the xp per page as fast as possible to increase your bonuses. How do you do this? Get the easiest page that still gives you xp but where the mobs die fast. A good beast master can solo build pages so fast in Boyahda with the right jug pets. That is ONE lone single solo players. If you have 6-12 other people - you can build your page so fast that you will reach MAXIMUM xp, when you do, switch to the real pages, with harder mobs, when you get massive skill ups, and yeah, actually have to work as a team this time - none of those I am invincible feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Return1
As for abyssea lite, LOL, sorry dude, GoV camps are ALL OVER the vanadiel, you actually have to do some travel and sight seeing, no direct short cut here. You asked for alternative, there are some, but yet you do not do it, since it takes more works. So if you want your old school party back, make a shout for skill ups party, yeah there are actually people who still do it, or others who rather not leech in abyssea. Take a long hike to one of these old school dungeons, build your xp page to max within an hour (think of it as building your abysea lights), once its maxed, switch to harder page (don't worry, you are done here, now you get your sweet 10k exp per page) then go to town - just don't expect mob to die so fast, and you actually need a balanced party set up.
On another note, you can also try to make 12 people Walk of Echoes party, or 18 if you managed to do it. It is actually fun, you get xp, and some very very nice items as well, you can skill ups. And it is a great learning ground for Voidwatch, Einherjar, Legion etc... I am not blaming you but the mentality of people in general. There are many ways to experience the games, but very few dare to actually be different.
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05-29-2012, 05:03 AMLuvbunny
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05-29-2012, 05:23 AMReturn1And your "MAXIMUM xp" is still far slower than abyssea.Why? Because you kill much faster for more EXP per kill in abyssea, and the mobs repop faster. It doesn't matter how faster you can kill in the tree because you're still limited to about 1/5 the mobs over time, for less EXP per kill, and less pages overall.Quote:
Do you even understand how GoV works??? Clearly you don't have a clue. First you want to build the xp per page as fast as possible to increase your bonuses. How do you do this? Get the easiest page that still gives you xp but where the mobs die fast. A good beast master can solo build pages so fast in Boyahda with the right jug pets. That is ONE lone single solo players. If you have 6-12 other people - you can build your page so fast that you will reach MAXIMUM xp, when you do, switch to the real pages, with harder mobs, when you get massive skill ups, and yeah, actually have to work as a team this time - none of those I am invincible feel.
If by "ALL OVER" you mean "Densely condensed into Gusgen Mines and Bostaunieux Oubliette with occasional detours to the tree or gustav" then yes, participation's all over.Quote:
As for abyssea lite, LOL, sorry dude, GoV camps are ALL OVER the vanadiel
And it's abyssea lite because most page parties evolve into alliances fighting piss weak mobs for EXP, mostly from pages. Just like abyssea, but slower. Also, leeches get by just as well.
Your whole post is an exercise in exactly why EXPing outside of abyssea is shunned. It's slower with 0 rewards for it.
The idea of my OP was to offer an exclusive reward for each EXP area so that people would have a reason to make use of these zones, and you'd have to vary your EXP areas to match your goals in game. -
05-29-2012, 06:30 AMLuvbunny
LOL, dude, you don't get it, people doing xp party is for maximum xp gain per hours - the higher level GoV actually can give you similar xp per hour if you get 18 people killing decent-tough mobs after you max your pages. But it is not as popular. Your ideas are good but unless they beat the popular notion of xp per hour, it will never be popular. Leecher only exist IF your alliance allows it, I boot leecher on my alliance, or just have someone trick attack it to death and don't raise them, they are afk anyway. Again, the game is giving you options.
Xp outside abysea is not with zero rewards. Skilling up is a huge pain if you are doing 2 handed weapons, and abyssea is not faster for skill ups unless you are doing dagger or h2h. When the mob dies so fast, you barely get the skill ups you need. Sure you can solo later on, but if you are doing it in Abyssea, you are using your stones, not great choice for those with low stones count. And GoV party is not limited to 2 places plus 2, there are Fei Yin, Kuftal Tunnel, Dangruf Wadi and King Ranpere Tomb, and Sky as well - perhaps you forgot those old school areas - which does favor certain jobs set up. What abyssea did right is cutting down excess traveling and make things extremely efficient, so yeah everyone will gravitate towards that.
And they will not going to make outside abyssea xp better, trust me, they are here to sell the expansions, if you can get better faster more efficient exp outside abyssea then you have no need for the expansion since Voidwatch gears also provide you with alternatives and Relic +2 gears are not too bad. AF3+2 by far still some of the finest pieces of equipment that are easily obtainable. Bottom line is this: they need to keep abyssea desirable and needed, so every new players or returning players will want to purchase it.
I am not trying to be negative but every time I see posting blaming Abyssea for all the wrong that is happening in FFXI, people need to be reminded that the same things happened with ToAU, where they blame everything on the Colibri party and faster merit party. Or when King Ranpere Tombs and Sky party favor certain jobs, the ranger burn, the warrior burn, the black mage burn, the monk burn parties of the past. They often forget that it is not the game to blame, it is the people, everyone would rather get the most things done with the least amount of efforts. If they can't even move people outside abyssea with all these GoV bonus, or Walk of Echoes xp + skill ups + items, or Campaign + Besieged with bonus items and notes to make gills via VW items ---- they will not gonna be able to persuade others to abandon abyssea with your ideas. The only thing that will change that if they announced new expansion with new areas for better xp. -
05-29-2012, 07:37 AMJuilanyou ever try to get a ring off King Behemoth before he was a force pop, now that he's a force pop (from a KS99 and a 30% chance of his trigger dropping forme behemoth) the virtually non-existant drop is even worse because Kindred Seals don't drop at the rate that the NQ behe used to pop... id consider getting items through CP a way to fix the problem the devs made when they made kings force pop... which was fixing a problem they already remedied with abyssea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Heck
what planet are you from? WHAT THEY DID TO THE OLD HNMs WAS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING THEY COULD HAVE DONE. Prove to me how getting a D ring is easier with the kindred seal drop rate and the drop rate of the HQ pop? The SHEER FACT that Kindred Seals are a finite obtainment increases the price of the item to get an item that a link shell i was in up til abyssea came out went 0/240 on drops... so don't give them this horrific idea that what they did was good. they should make it moderately closer to the easy of getting this items (if you werent blocked by 150 bots in one zone)Quote:
Originally Posted by Heck
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05-29-2012, 08:29 AMReturn1The highest page in Gustav Tunnel, 5 boulder Eaters and 2 Pygmytoises, caps out at 4620 EXP per page. There are 10 Boulder Eaters and 8 Pygmytoises, on 5 minute respawns. This automatically means at best you're averaging ALMOST 2 pages every 5 minutes.Quote:
LOL, dude, you don't get it, people doing xp party is for maximum xp gain per hours - the higher level GoV actually can give you similar xp per hour if you get 18 people killing decent-tough mobs after you max your pages. But it is not as popular. Your ideas are good but unless they beat the popular notion of xp per hour, it will never be popular.
So with an Alliance of 18 you'd be getting 16-90 EXP per kill barring EXP rings, and lets pretend 9240 EXP every 5 minutes from 2 capped EXP pages. Lets say you get 10260exp in 5 minutes (Literally impossible, the worms would all have to spawn at highest level, and things would have to spawn claimed and dead), that's 123,120 EXP per hour. That's less than half the EXP of a fully capped Abyssea alliance.
Abyssea is a better place for skill-ups because you get retarded amounts of TA so you swing more. No one is worried about stones in Abyssea after their first week of the area unless they suck and don't know what Time Extensions are.Quote:
Xp outside abysea is not with zero rewards. Skilling up is a huge pain if you are doing 2 handed weapons, and abyssea is not faster for skill ups unless you are doing dagger or h2h. When the mob dies so fast, you barely get the skill ups you need. Sure you can solo later on, but if you are doing it in Abyssea, you are using your stones, not great choice for those with low stones count.
Sure those zones have GoV, but no one ever does them because they suck by comparison. After a little searching:Quote:
And GoV party is not limited to 2 places plus 2, there are Fei Yin, Kuftal Tunnel, Dangruf Wadi and King Ranpere Tomb, and Sky as well - perhaps you forgot those old school areas - which does favor certain jobs set up.
Gusgen: 13man EXP alliance
Bostaunieux: 15man EXP alliance, 2 solo
Fei Yin: 0
KRT: 0
Dangruf: 0
Kuftal: 3 people doing a dagger trial and one guy doing what seems to be AF
Sky: 21 people here. When I asked a party leader how the EXP from his GoV alliance was, he called me retarded and said they were doing Qilin. No response from the 3 solo people.
There's 0 rewards for groups doing Grounds of valor, unless the group is helping a friend get a R/EX chest drop.
Do you even read the shit you type, or even put some thought into it? You've contradicted your own arguments twice.Quote:
And they will not going to make outside abyssea xp better, trust me, they are here to sell the expansions, if you can get better faster more efficient exp outside abyssea then you have no need for the expansion since Voidwatch gears also provide you with alternatives and Relic +2 gears are not too bad. AF3+2 by far still some of the finest pieces of equipment that are easily obtainable. Bottom line is this: they need to keep abyssea desirable and needed, so every new players or returning players will want to purchase it.
Also, no one is saying make EXPing outside faster or more efficient. I'm saying add a specific use for EXPing in other areas. I never suggested faster EXP anywhere in my posts.
Nobody has blamed abyssea for anything, the whole purpose of this thread is suggestions that don't involve a nerf in any way shape or form.Quote:
but every time I see posting blaming Abyssea for all the wrong that is happening in FFXI
GoV is shit compared to Abyssea as has been pointed out several times already.Walk of Echoes is a horrible, horrible joke.Quote:
If they can't even move people outside abyssea with all these GoV bonus, or Walk of Echoes xp + skill ups + items, or Campaign + Besieged with bonus items and notes to make gills via VW items ---- they will not gonna be able to persuade others to abandon abyssea with your ideas. The only thing that will change that if they announced new expansion with new areas for better xp.
However, if SE announced tomorrow that they were going to make VW tickets purchasable for 50k CP each if you're rank 10 and have the title, within a week there would be dozens of EXP parties filling zones like Valkurm Dunes, Qufim Island, KRT, Gustav Tunnel, The Boyahda Tree, and Sky. It's because people will take the guaranteed drop.
You have completely missed the point. The idea isn't to get people to abandon abyssea, it's to get them to do more than abyssea, by offering a different type of reward than abyssea offers.
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05-29-2012, 01:02 PMLuvbunny
I am not opposing new easily accessible gears that can be obtained via conquest points, allied notes, etc.. I think it would be great to revitalize those old abandoned areas that no one bother to do. But the game has changed, and the way things are done changed as well. And from the look of 2012 plans, they are not even bother to adjust the pre-abyssea contents by much, they are moving ahead with "new content that is repeat of the old one with impossible difficulty and better gears". For your ideas to take effect, they will have to come up with something "new" in terms of battle mechanic similar to how abyssea radically changed the way we are getting xp. Otherwise it would be the same thing with more new items to obtain. I think they did try to "revitalize" old contents already, maybe not much effort being put to it other than giving more xp and notes/points. And I do try to do more than just abyssea, some events are easier to do while others not so much since it requires you to have more than 1-2 persons. The thing is, the majority of the players don't bother to do things differently, even you are able to convince 1-2 persons, since the rest would not go with you and the minority has no choice but to go along with everyone else.
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05-29-2012, 01:47 PMReturn1For my ideas to take effect they just have to put loot dropped by nms, that give titles, onto conquest NPCs that can be bought with lots of Conquest Points.Quote:
For your ideas to take effect, they will have to come up with something "new" in terms of battle mechanic similar to how abyssea radically changed the way we are getting xp. Otherwise it would be the same thing with more new items to obtain.
The end.
Period.
Players would be EXPing outside of abyssea when they wanted loot, and in abyssea when they wanted speed. If Tags for IS was implemented, Then the EXP groups would be divided over 3 different regions. You could customize your EXPing to your goals, and lower level players wouldn't be forced into leech roles.
Also, people could have a guaranteed method of obtaining VW gear for example. It would take very long sure, but at least they'd know they will get it.
I don't know where you're getting some of the things you say. I think you either didn't read the thread, didn't understand the thread, or your English is a little rough around the edges leading to misunderstandings. -
05-29-2012, 06:14 PMLuvbunny
My understanding of your posting is just fine thanks, keep posting perhaps your ideas will come to fruition, in the mean time, aren't you glad you get some response that keep bumping your post? And most of all, chill dude :)
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05-29-2012, 08:03 PMDaniel_HatcherI've done Gustav, but the EXP is nowhere near Abyssea level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luvbunny
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05-30-2012, 02:11 AMHeckI was there when behe and KB where timed pops. I've seen more people with D.rings in this past year then I did in a couple of years before they added the ??? pop. Sure getting K.seals may be a problem, but the only reason why you don't see them is because people are just doing Abyssea. Sure I do agree with obtaining some other ways of poping the old content HNMs, but to get it through CP, ISP, AN sounds ridiculous when they've never done anything like that in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juilan
Last time I checked I'm from the same planet as you. When I was talking about "The solution for that was turn everything R/EX, make it come from BCNM/KSNM or turn them into ??? pops" I did not say that I liked it, or agreed with it I just preferred it over the 3 hours of windows every day camping them with competition, and the 3-7 day chance of it being HQ. Be real, this wasn't the worst possible thing they could have done, be glad they didnt make it only obtainable through BC/KS like they did with most of the NMs. I'm sure SE could of done things a better way, but sometimes you can't get what you always want.