Rant About Current End Game - ADL and Voidwatch = Old FFXI, No Thanks

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Originally Posted by Natenn

Claiming was luck based, not wiping took skill.

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Skill on what exactly ....

Fafnir was a joke, Nid was a slightly harder Fafnir.
KB was a joke, just keep healers out of range.
Tia turned into a joke, I still remember the short period where a BRD/NIN could tank her
Jormy was a joke, nobody did him anyway
ToAU NM's were jokes once you know what to avoid

About the only HNM that was remotely *hard* was Vytra, and only cause of her summons and repops. Got enough manpower and she becomes just as easy as the rest.

HNM "end game" was 99% about getting the claim, and 1% not being stupid enough to wipe.

and yet most ppl struggled and or wiped.

That because all the idiots camping hnms were gimped. Lol@ bragging about not wiping to hnms. Seriously. Seriously HnM money makers were garbage, having all your LS member do "The Ashu Taliff" missions, all trioable, dayly repeatable, is still and used to be inifinitely better. Drops included multimillions attachements & mat like cerberus hide with super high chance. But I guess the giant noob you are had/has no idea they even existed. This game has never been large-LS friendly. One LS for every event=fail, and you prove it. It's funny you are even mentionning sea because last I checked absolutely no sea item was worth farming, even novio (not on it's own but getting it from bazar was the best time/ratio reward).

I get sick of the zerg crap. Seems that's the only way to beat any HNM nowadays. Not exactly thought compelling. Zerg = just brainless attacking and hope it dies. All VWNMs = old school DL fights where CS Stun is replaced with Proc to terror mob for x minutes and hope it dies.

I, for one, think low man is way more skilled than 18 man fights. Fighting a tough NM with 6 people where making a mistake is extremely costly because 1 member = 1/6th of your team, especially if you lose the tank or whm, you are extremely boned. Least with 18 people, can sacrifice a few bodies and you'll be ok. But that isn't possible when a damn NM is spamming an AOE that does almost full hp to most DDs and probably 3/4 to a tank. I miss my 6 man fights. Wish VW was 6 mannable, same with ADL (and using a balanced party setup, not the typical 5 Mnks/DDs, Smn PD BS). I like doing the content with my good friends/LS. We work great together and like helping each other obtain our goals.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You forgot to add that the hnm you were hunting had garbage drops and only idiots would go after them in the first place, hence why it took you so long to kill them.

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If you bothered to play anything besides monk, you would know this statement in incorrect. Some of those 'garbage' items are still the best in slot, like armadaberk for war and drk TP sets.

More fail from the gimpchan =[

the good LSes got their adaberk from odin, not from fafhog. and the talk was about money makers. ive always laughed on the inside a all the noobs camping cerberus personally, when the hides droped like 50% of the time from the ashu talif chests.

It gave the campers a superiority complex, that's it. Now they come on the OF explaining us ADL is too hard.

Because Odin and the Ashu Talif were available before ToAU, and camping Cerberus and HNMs means you can't do anything else to make money.

None of the "campers" are complaining that ADL is too hard. Its the people who either have to buy the marrows or try with a pickup group who say its too hard.

I didn't know cerberus was available prior to toau. Everything he mentions his ToAU, and the nashmau assault missions became live soon after toau. In reality he considers his LS wiping to ADL lack of luck when it's lack of skill. I've explained 100% winrate startegies in the ADL thread. Any alliance should be able to lock ADL with shock squall and PD, having to kill more than 2-3 ADL clones is uncommon.

Complaining because I am not able to ADL with 6 people that aren't all mnks and smn. Also, working with 17 other people that aren't gonna let me freely have the marrow. I have no options other than making a LS that is 18+ members big. Sorry but I'm done with that crap. Too much work and time. Just because you can beat it Mark doesn't mean it's fine the way it is. That's like saying because you're a millionaire and I'm a 50k/yr salary man that you are entitled to eating at a french restaurant that serves $50 dishes and I'm not because the waiter says, "sorry, only rich people are allowed to dine in here". Sorry but the playing field is far from fair.