Thieves and Voidwatch

So an endgame event where finally THF isn't useful. Welcome to Vanadiel. As a COR main I've been most useful in meripo and VW. Borderline useless in Aby except as a brew master with WF. Decent utility in Einherjar, limbus, Nyzul. Surpassed by BRDs in zergs like Sky and Sea and other HNM's. Having a THF for TH and Feint was always useful. Great puller in Dynamis. Can solo and duo a ton in Aby as an evasion tank.

There are THFs everywhere in Vanadiel. Why? Because the job is helpful in so many events. But all THF's want to be is DDs it seems.

I'm sorry you feel upset about not being invited much to an endgame vent for once. Please talk to some PUPs if you need help with the PTSD you are going through. They have lots of experience with that problem.

Why not make thf more beneficial by making TH do something everyone complains about in VW anyways. Hate doing VW and having nothing drop in my chest yet someone else gets there 3rd rare/ex item they can't even take out of box. So why not make TH give a percentage chance to drop said rare/ex items from the actual boss ontop of what is found in chest that particpants can lot on it. But only if a Thf is present. I'm not saying remove the items from chest but then when the whm gets the toci's harness for the 10th time on pil and can't even use it. The other jobs can get a shot. Since your not ever gonna allow us to transfer contents from our box into main lot pool. Just an idea, prob to hard to implement. But would sure make it worthwhile to take a thf along to the fights for another small chance at item.

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

So an endgame event where finally THF isn't useful. Welcome to Vanadiel. As a COR main I've been most useful in meripo and VW. Borderline useless in Aby except as a brew master with WF. Decent utility in Einherjar, limbus, Nyzul. Surpassed by BRDs in zergs like Sky and Sea and other HNM's. Having a THF for TH and Feint was always useful. Great puller in Dynamis. Can solo and duo a ton in Aby as an evasion tank.

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Except of all the things youve mentionned where X job isnt useful for Y event werent explicitly told their job isnt deservant of adjustments becuz of certain traits/abilities that would render them overpowered.

In this case here, Thief has been told they cant really get anymore buffs cuz with the ability to raise TH effect, it would be too powerful. Ok, np... How about making this powerful effect useful.

The only reason 15/20 jobs became useless in aby was cuz SE made it easy mode. You werent mnk+whming at 80 cap.

Never knew thf was so useful in some of the things you state cor was useful in. Not to mention I wasn't aware we were still stuck at 75 cap? Seems to be the basis of your post anyhow. Also not sure what any of that has to do with TH affecting Light alignment either.

Just like in BCNM or most Ein wings, TH has no effect on the loot in the box so in that case thf has always been useless where as a cor retained utility. With that, giving thf the ability to further enhance the quality/quantity beyond the soft caps as if it were a separate category is going to have roughly the same effect TH always had.....a minor increase at the chance of a low drop item.


Not sure what endgame you played that made thf anything more than a TH whore with a small amount being geared well enough to pass as DD too, but based on the fact you brought up brd it sounds like most of your problem stems from not being able to fill a brd role rather than anything to do with this topic: TH and its effect on light alignment caps.

As Nynja said our TH was always used as the reason we never really got buffed. If voidwatch/voidwatch-like events (TH has no effect) are going to be the rule to endgame content, THF will be automatically excluded forever, unless we get something else. So yeah, they either stop using the TH card as the reason we can't have nice things, or they fix the damn thing already.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

With that, giving thf the ability to further enhance the quality/quantity beyond the soft caps as if it were a separate category is going to have roughly the same effect TH always had.....a minor increase at the chance of a low drop item.

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And this is what we asking here. Players will always want drops no matter what, if THF brings the lights to new limits, it certainly will be reason to bring at least one THF. We are simply accepting the fact that we are and will always be TH whores. But well, if they can fix our current situation differently we wouldn't mind for sure.

ah btw, my expected reply from them: It would take too many man-hours to make this change to TH.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

Just like in BCNM or most Ein wings, TH has no effect on the loot in the box so in that case thf has always been useless where as a cor retained utility. With that, giving thf the ability to further enhance the quality/quantity beyond the soft caps as if it were a separate category is going to have roughly the same effect TH always had.....a minor increase at the chance of a low drop item.

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While i agree for the most part...

Switching TH to raise above the hard cap, instead of Soft cap, fixes the problem. It gives THF Use, and from there, it'd be up to people to determine if it was worth it.

Pretty much what you said, But instead of making it its own category, Just add TH bonus on top of everything.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

Never knew thf was so useful in some of the things you state cor was useful in. Not to mention I wasn't aware we were still stuck at 75 cap? Seems to be the basis of your post anyhow. Also not sure what any of that has to do with TH affecting Light alignment either.

Just like in BCNM or most Ein wings, TH has no effect on the loot in the box so in that case thf has always been useless where as a cor retained utility. With that, giving thf the ability to further enhance the quality/quantity beyond the soft caps as if it were a separate category is going to have roughly the same effect TH always had.....a minor increase at the chance of a low drop item.


Not sure what endgame you played that made thf anything more than a TH whore with a small amount being geared well enough to pass as DD too, but based on the fact you brought up brd it sounds like most of your problem stems from not being able to fill a brd role rather than anything to do with this topic: TH and its effect on light alignment caps.

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You're probably one of those people who kill things without TH then bitch when nothing drops cuz "its a marginal increase". Marginal increase or not, its an increase...


why was this moved to thief forums? If anything it would be battle content?

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Originally Posted by Nynja

You're probably one of those people who kill things without TH then bitch when nothing drops cuz "its a marginal increase". Marginal increase or not, its an increase...


why was this moved to thief forums? If anything it would be battle content?

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Not sure how you came to that conclusion based off what I said. Pardon me for not quoting the bitching cor to show it was a response directed at them. The comment I made was in relation to them saying thf was desired in all endgame content and to stop bitching now that they aren't. Fact is, it never was because of the factors I mentioned for specific events and why people are asking that TH affect beyond the cap. Had nothing to do with what you somehow concluded out of it, especially considering I backed you idea in the first place, so I don't understand how you got that ass-backwards idea out of it.

As to why it got moved, probably because of the title if I had to guess. Seems quite a few topics got moved out of general including this one and some of them were based on title rather than content, or they felt that since it was so localized to the thf's TH effect on light alignment that it belonged in the thf forums rather than general.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

why was this moved to thief forums? If anything it would be battle content?

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Probably because this has little of interest to other jobs. It's about THFs wanting to be mandatory at VW (as they have been in most endgame content), rather then an alternative option to expensive cell usage. After all, if a THFs role can be subverted with items, what is the point of bringing a THF to VW.

Just add bully as a VW proc.

However, I do like Nynja's idea of allowing TH to go over and above the hard cap, but as others have said, THFs have been a favourite for many events, and I don't mind that for VW I pull out my SMN, as it gives me the opportunity to get some skillups, since the only other place I use SMN is in campaign or WoE... neither of which give skills ><