Abyssea adjustment idea

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Originally Posted by Rambus

I would love to hear why SE made the min level 30. that is big reason for people being lazy these days.

My view is this, there is no reason to make it min 30, you can't do anything but key chests. you need around 65 with good atma or at lest 72-75 to actally contribute.

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Luvbunny already ansswrred this and said it so all could understand it

"By making the content accessible to lvl 30, SE is letting new players reap the benefits of the new add ons early on, and not make them wait till they hit lvl 75. Absolutely no changes needed there. As for leeching xp, you need to ask yourself, the players are the one who let other leech, and abuse the system, not SE."

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It really isn't SE's fault if players abyssea burn their jobs then not learn how to play them. Saying people who leveled from 1-75+ outside of abyssea are superior to those who didn't is just wrong.

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Yes they are superior and this is why.. You take the time to learn how to function in a party with limited skills/abilities/spells ect and you function and support a group.. Leeching in abyssea your dragging down the group and I bet majority of people would rather have a functioning member of a alliance in abyssea then a leech because all they do is slow kill rate, Im not saying key people aren't important but thats fine to designate 1 or 2 spots max for that and allow a friend to level a job just for the simple entertainment of doing so or a job that doesn't require skill ups (e.g. leveling DNC after a THF has been leveled to 90 or RDM leveling after BLM has been leveled) but for new people to take advantage of new content at lower levels? REALLY! if your a new player you shouldn't even be worried about new content until you worked your way up to it.. SqEnix did say that abyssea was going to be made for 75+ characters and thats one reason I think they should put a higher level cap on it.. to make it exclusive to higher levels.. a level 50 job isn't going to get anything they need out abyssea so why allow them to enter? I haven't seen anything drop for low levels and upgrade items are for 75+ levels so how does that balance things out? Especially now that they doubled xp outside abyssea its just the simple truth people are being lazy and don't want to take the time and effort to level a job and learn it they want to smash on the staples easy button and bam have a job they don't know how to play.. clear example
went in an alliance for a LS member for his upgrade items but also for atma.. had 1 blm, all you need for yellow proc in the case of elemental spells is a BLM well this blm manage to go from level 37-90 in 2 days in abyssea but didn't have any of the AM spells because they were too expensive was getting massive skill up and above all didnt know how long a spell casting time was for a spell and constantly casted during a TP move.. people need to learn how to play before they get involved in end game stuff..
Most people know an end game wouldn't take a low level job to end game its pointless no matter how many alliances they had involved at any given time.. so why should low level jobs be involved in the biggest end game event of all? Abyssea is end game weather people wanna admit it or not.. its not a place to go level a 30 job nor should a level 30 job be allowed to go level.. not to mention its crap people will charge people for leech spots and make gil off exploiting an alliance out to get xp..

Germ, it all depends on the jobs and what you define "leeching". Leechers are the one who do absolutely nothing at all and just stand there reaping the xp benefits and contribute 0 to the alliance. If you don't like having a leecher, boot that person, most people in your alliance would probably support you anyway. Someone who does absolutely nothing to the alliance and goes AFK for 30mnts should be booted.

- Mages: especially whm, sch, rdm, brd, and cor are not quite a leecher in abby starting at lvl 50s. They can help cure and hardly will run out of mp. Cor and Brd buffs helps, especially when you have those melees with underskilled weapon or melees at 75s (they are considered a leecher on abyssea tailored for lvl 85 and up). Because you gain xp so fast, those so called leecher will contribute more faster.
- Puller: yes you can pull at lvl 55s and up, it's a bit risky and you need one of your high level melee as your voke partner so you don't get pummeled to death but it's doable. Having 2-3 pullers will help to make the xp rolls more easily. By the time you reach lvl 70s which should be around 3 hours, you pull more easier.
- Chest openers: this seems easy until you get 4-5 chest dropping at consistent rate, in which case, it become a full time job. Having a dedicated chest opener let others focus on killing the mobs. And if you can heal as chest opener, you should help out a bit.

As for learning about your job... you hardly learn much about it on normal exp party. If any at all, since you are doing the same 2-3 things over and over. There is really not much to learn about the job, you can read everything you need to know on wiki. You learn more about that particular job by doing a small party for seals farming, since everyone is accountable, and doing double duty, plus there is no safety net of an alliance. Some people learn fast, others need more time to practice. All abyssea offers is a faster way to reach lvl 90 so you can do things that actually matters, which is collecting gears, finishing missions (without having to constantly bug people to help you). There are still A TON of things to do when you reach lvl 90s.

There's actually a lot of things you can do at level 30 in Abyssea... getting all the confluxes, quests, and so on, a good selection of content you can enjoy. You just can't be effective in the battle content.

It's the player base that is allowing level 30 to leech their way to an unskilled 90, not the zone itself.

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Originally Posted by Laverda

There's actually a lot of things you can do at level 30 in Abyssea... getting all the confluxes, quests, and so on, a good selection of content you can enjoy. You just can't be effective in the battle content.

It's the player base that is allowing level 30 to leech their way to an unskilled 90, not the zone itself.

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Agreed! No one can leech if the rest of the alliance is against it, even if you are alliance leader, everyone can drop and reform party and leave you out cold in abyssea. As for useless leecher, if party leader boot them, no one will complaint. Abyssea is amazing as it is, it's the player base that let others abuse it and do absolutely nothing and let the new habit of leeching become an ok thing to do. Though you still need a dedicated person to open chest and only that, but you do not need 3 chest openers in an alliance and 4 other people who goes afk for an hour or more.

To be honest, as melee lvl 75 with no atmas, you are also considered semi leeching since you can't hit the mob effectively or contribute much to the party when you are in lvl 85 and up areas. Mages have it easy since Cure 5 is effective no matter what, but BLMs with no atmas and underleveled skills are just as worse as leecher.

I'm wondering how Germ figures Abyssea to be endgame? Abyssea takes some teamwork, but not enough to be called endgame in my opinion. To me, it's just one giant killfest. Not to mention, access to Abyssea is as simple as buying a 10 dollar expansion. It's not like , Dynamis, Sea, Limbus and Sky etc. where you must go through an entire storyline of missions and quests in order to even ENTER the area, not even accounting for the teamwork needed to get through the zone and get the gear you want.

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Originally Posted by GERM

Yes they are superior and this is why.. You take the time to learn how to function in a party with limited skills/abilities/spells ect

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Why can't you learn this at 90? And if you already have a job leveled, you should already know this before hand.... People are NOT superior just because they did not leech to 90.

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Leeching in abyssea your dragging down the group and I bet majority of people would rather have a functioning member of a alliance in abyssea then a leech because all they do is slow kill rate

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If you're in an alliance and you absolutely need every single person DDing to get a good exp rate/TE, then you need to reevaluate your DDs.

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Im not saying key people aren't important but thats fine to designate 1 or 2 spots max for that and allow a friend to level a job just for the simple entertainment of doing so or a job that doesn't require skill ups (e.g. leveling DNC after a THF has been leveled to 90 or RDM leveling after BLM has been leveled)

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If you skill up after you leech to 90, are you ok with that?

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but for new people to take advantage of new content at lower levels? REALLY! if your a new player you shouldn't even be worried about new content until you worked your way up to it..

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Why not? In my social there is a new new player who started BLM who we let leech from 50->90. Now he's happier then ever, he can participate in events (dyna, Abyssea, etc) with us rather then spending weeks soloing pets and learning how to actually play BLM rather then "learning" how to play his job via pets for 75 levels.

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SqEnix did say that abyssea was going to be made for 75+ characters

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What does this have to do with anything?

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a level 50 job isn't going to get anything they need out abyssea so why allow them to enter?

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They get EXP.

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I haven't seen anything drop for low levels and upgrade items are for 75+ levels so how does that balance things out?

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People like to get upgrade items before they level a job? I had the stones for blue legs +2 when my blu was only level 30.

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Especially now that they doubled xp outside abyssea

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A step in the right direction, but EXP in abyssea is still much much better.

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its just the simple truth people are being lazy and don't want to take the time and effort to level a job and learn it they want to smash on the staples easy button and bam have a job they don't know how to play

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Stop playing with idiots?

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.. clear example
went in an alliance for a LS member for his upgrade items but also for atma.. had 1 blm, all you need for yellow proc in the case of elemental spells is a BLM well this blm manage to go from level 37-90 in 2 days in abyssea but didn't have any of the AM spells because they were too expensive was getting massive skill up and above all didnt know how long a spell casting time was for a spell and constantly casted during a TP move.. people need to learn how to play before they get involved in end game stuff..

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I completely agree, your BLM was being lazy. You should kick them and get a new one. I know how to play BLM better than most who jumped on the bandwagon and my BLM is only 23. The truth of the matter is, even if he abyssea whored his job, he should have spent some time learning (and actually getting the neccessary spells for it) the job before taking it to an event.

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Most people know an end game wouldn't take a low level job to end game its pointless no matter how many alliances they had involved at any given time.. so why should low level jobs be involved in the biggest end game event of all?

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You aren't actually doing an end game event, you're just exping.

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Abyssea is end game weather people wanna admit it or not.

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Aspects of it are, but not EXPing. But of course since Dark Ixion pops in East Ronfaure (S) it's endgame onry. No one could possibly exp there.

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its not a place to go level a 30 job nor should a level 30 job be allowed to go level.

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It obviously is.

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not to mention its crap people will charge people for leech spots and make gil off exploiting an alliance out to get xp..

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Make your own parties? Really, you don't even need a full party. A WHM and 1-3 DDs is all you need (I've done it with 1 DD and a RDM). You aren't exploiting an ally at all if your ally is competent....

You have to realize there are idiots and genius playing the game. Us smart people only need 5 minutes at level 90 to learn the job. Other people will at level 55 say "Lets not invite a THF. That first voke and sneak attack business is just so confusing." (true story). Notice I'm talking about a person who has actually played the classic old slow way to 55 and still don't know how THF works because it is too much for his brain.

I guarantee you the amount of poor players is the same as always. It doesn't matter if they play 5 years or 2 days to get to 90. They just don't have the will to learn.

I agree faster xp doesn't make people worse. those people were bad from jump. i prefer faster xp so i dont waste my time at levels where the job isnt fun. like right now my ninja is at 50 and he hits like a limp armed baby and i hate it. but i blink tank from my 90 thf or DNC so would have no prob doing it on NIN and since EVA capped for THF(highest in game) nothing to skill up on NIN except ninjusta katana and great katana

I think I'll still take my car to the mechanic with 20+ years experience before the 2 week apprentice who thinks he knows it all cuz he read about it on wiki & has the keys to the shop.

anyway, this topic has gotten away from my intended discussion. & that is; FFXI zones & AH are dying, & Abyssea is the cause. SE is the fix, not the player base.