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Blm with good gear can thanks to emp+2 set bonus and Magian staves, Sam especially without Fudo lolno, you're doing something wrong if you can't beat a Sam in damage. Drk too, both jobs are just that bad when atma enter the picture. Smn still has an advantage in avatar damage is essentially hateless, not that blm is a glass cannon anymore but in 2 nukes blm is at capped hate.
Sam can spike high damage with Triple attack but they aren't averaging 9k per WS.
there is something sam, mnk, and drk dont have that smn does, which is why smn doesnt hit as hard: aoe buffs. If sam could hastega, protectra, shellra, stoneskinega, curaga, all without subjob, then I'd understand. It's just all about balance. What smn needs is, maybe more devastating bps, whether offensive or defensive, but not shortened time naturally. Now, gear to shorten recast, that'd be nice.
Ok, assuming your friend uses PW atma and atma of the ultimate, I would assume they are using MM for refresh and int+? If that is the case the lack of Atma of the Beyond would nerf the nuking damage from Shiva. Given the bonus damage from +2 Emp body, dmg set bonus from +2 emp set, as well as TP Bonus on emp pants, as well regain on emp neck. Pet: MAB magian staff is more dmg+. If you fully merit Heavenly Strike and Pet MAB and MACC for the odd resist, avatars can keep up with DDs such as SAMs and DRKs. As for BLMs, Heavenly Strike can do comparable damage BLMs Blizzard5 with a lower MP cost, faster casting time. The delay really isnt that bad, though it does suck that BP delay- has a kind of low cap.
all i am saying to you is that a summoner as geared as him is in no way going to out damage a sam just as well geared and to neisan yes there is a sam on my server that averages 8-9k on tachi gekko we have to make him hold his WS's or he has to go solo his own mob so he dont destroy azure. His average ws in non abyssea is like 2-3k as well
Averaging 9k on Gekko doesn't even sound plausible. Not even close. Spikes with TA, average? Not even. Even Fudo doesn't hit that high without spikes, you're leaving out some information. Unless the enhances zanshin double damage proc is broken... considering Fstr caps, the Ftp of the WS, and current gear available for Sam, I'm calling BS on that one.
Exp mobs don't even have that much HP, closer to 3-5k depending on family, and hits after the first aren't adding double damage to the WS with ftp of 1.0 and no bonus from gorget/elebelts.
EDIT: oh hey, I keep my math on Sam, Gekko in abyssea with Apoc/Smiting/VV, spike of around 3k or so, maybe, maybe 4k on a good day (assumed masamune of all weapons... and exp mobs). Calling BS on 9k average.
Well when the servers back up i will post his tachi gekkos on youtube . .. . . He does them easily enough. Just like the guy on our server named Silverpig he does 1k-2k on blade ku i believe on mobs outside of abyssea. I could care less about all your math i know what i have seen. If i could do it i would be impressed with myself but its not me doing it . . . its someone else ^_^. So once the servers are back up i will have to prove you wrong with a video :D and i cant wait to see what you say after that <3.
ITT: The game doesn't work by the math.
your confusing you just said "I keep my math on Sam". And when i am talking about this i am always referring to inside abyssea not outside . . .But I'm still going to post that video for you >.> so you can see how possible it is lol.
By keep my math, I mean I didn't delete a chart on damage calculations for Sam, which I thought I did after seeing how far behind the job is. Turns out I did keep it, and Sam is still behind, so nothing new there. Even Ukko's with full cirts and DA procs rarely reaches 9k+ damage, very interested in how this Sam managed to beat out every single superior inside abyssea DD job and match Ranger's Jishnu Radiance (3 hit can crit high DEX mod) damage with a non critical one hit WS.
lol well i am not kidding you at all XD its 9k per gekko and its amazing. just like silverpigs blade ku hits for 1-2k on anything i have seen him hit it with outside abyssea. I am not about to bullshit about something so dumb XD