Level 99 Relics and Empyreans

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Originally Posted by Helel

Are you joking? What part of the fact that empyreans are harder to make than relics suggests that they are better than relics? That makes absolutely no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that most relics are now superior to empyreans, and some (bow, gun) were always better than empyreans.

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lol wat.

Which Relics are those?

If you said Mythics, I'd totally see where you were coming from. Relics? huh. There are some boss ones, but suggesting that "most" relics are better is fairly silly.

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Originally Posted by Helel

Are you joking? What part of the fact that empyreans are harder to make than relics suggests that they are better than relics? That makes absolutely no logical sense. Not to mention the fact that most relics are now superior to empyreans, and some (bow, gun) were always better than empyreans.

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Work = Reward aspect that I believe SE is trying to pursue.

Also, I can count maybe 6 relics that have a chance at beating their empyrean counterparts in a damage aspect. Club, Scythe, Polearm, Dagger(nonstacked), GS(Prime conditions only), and possibly GK(Probably not, but people like to think it's better than Masa.) Even then the difference is slight (other than club and scythe).

Who knows how powerful the 99 Emps or Relics will be? However as of now I'm certain that, at the very least, Kannagi, Almace, Gandiva, Armageddon, Ukonvasara, and Verethragna will still dominate in terms of DPS (only exceptions being, MAYBE, certain Mythics [mainly looking at Conqueror]). Oh, and Ochain is better than Aegis in nearly every way (honestly in mdt+mdb set you shouldn't be taking nearly enough damage to warrant the use of Aegis since WAR and MNK can both survive pretty much every thing there is right now).

Relics are better than emps, and some relics are better by FAR! Take Apoc for example have Hidden damage effects (20% double damage), additional effects (blindness), ws special effect (Super Drain), aftermath (Haste) and superior base damage (base damage 154) and most relic have these multiple utilities. Compared to emps which is secondary base damage, ws, aftermath (30% double damage). I have a bunch of emps and they cant compare to relics

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Oh, and Ochain is better than Aegis in nearly every way (honestly in mdt+mdb set you shouldn't be taking nearly enough damage to warrant the use of Aegis since WAR and MNK can both survive pretty much every thing there is right now).

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Aegis 95 is better than Ochain, you do know with aegis a pld can reach -95% magic damage reduction and aegis has a 60% hidden effect block rate against physical attacks not to mention 240 extra damage added to each shield bash. Ochain can block up too 100% of physical attacks but offer no protection against magical attacks. Aegis is superior

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Aegis 95 is better than Ochain, you do know with aegis a pld can reach -95% magic damage reduction and aegis has a 60% hidden effect block rate against physical attacks not to mention 240 extra damage added to each shield bash. Ochain can block up too 100% of physical attacks but offer no protection against magical attacks. Aegis is superior

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Doesn't work that way and is not that cut and dry. What is the mob doesn't cast? What is the mob has a nasty TP move? What is you are holding/tanking multiple mobs?

At 90 all of my friends preferred Aegis and 95 most now prefer Ochain.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Aegis 95 is better than Ochain, you do know with aegis a pld can reach -95% magic damage reduction and aegis has a 60% hidden effect block rate against physical attacks not to mention 240 extra damage added to each shield bash. Ochain can block up too 100% of physical attacks but offer no protection against magical attacks. Aegis is superior

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Overall -MDT is ~87.5% Can't go past that even with aegis.

So can they make heavy metal sources realistic already? Up the rates, you should be getting at least 1 per win.

Buying metals at 100-200k/pc isn't realistic and they will only go higher once 99 hits and people get antsy to push through the trial.

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Originally Posted by Babygyrl

Seriously 1000 of something else relic users have to collect?! that's so unfair.. we have done enough collecting already!! Dynamis is gonna be come swamped in COP zones.. its going to SUCK.. There is going to be a over crowding issue just like with Aby if this turns out to be the case..a few hundred would have be more reasonable! I would rather do 10k Ws's then collect more crap..

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There's only a handful of people who actually do relics so I doubt this will EVER be the case.

Aegis does not have a secret special block rate unless they added it in the 85+ upgrades. That myth was debunked ages ago.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Relics are better than emps, and some relics are better by FAR! Take Apoc for example have Hidden damage effects (20% double damage), additional effects (blindness), ws special effect (Super Drain), aftermath (Haste) and superior base damage (base damage 154) and most relic have these multiple utilities. Compared to emps which is secondary base damage, ws, aftermath (30% double damage). I have a bunch of emps and they cant compare to relics

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I hope your joking.

Ukon literally destroys every single relic by large amounts and is only beaten (probably) by a Ryunohige using perfect aftermath keep up (Bravura only stands a chance during Mighty Strikes, and that's only, what, 1/240'th of the time without ISL/COR 2h). A good Caladbolg beats out Apocalypse in DPS. Almace rapes the life out of Excalibur. Kannagi is so vastly superior to kikoku comparison is silly. Ochain>Aegis, Gandiva>Yoichi, Masa>Amano, Verethragna>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spharai, Daurdabla>Gjallarhorn(both or ->), Armageddon>Annihilator(though probably not as useful), Hvergelmir(lol)>Claustrum(lololololololololol).

Once you can spike over 4.8k (highest Ukko's Fury I've seen on Kaggen) or 5.2k (highest Victory Smite I've seen on Kaggen), come back and talk to me.