Gob Sack

My take on the current /equip command is that, at present, somewhere in the code the command is told where to look, which is your personal inventory. I see no reason why equivalents for your sack and satchel can't be made that simply modify this pointer.

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Originally Posted by Seriha

My take on the current /equip command is that, at present, somewhere in the code the command is told where to look, which is your personal inventory. I see no reason why equivalents for your sack and satchel can't be made that simply modify this pointer.

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That's good news, I really hope they can make this happen. Especially as they're adding all of this new equipment for Lv.91~100.

Personally as far as inventory goes, I say we need to have a system where each slot has it's own inventory. IE: a 15=20 slot area for weapons, 10-15 slot for bodies, so on and so forth. When you set out, you'd have all of the gear you pulled in these little "Mog Pouches" on your bag, and not jamming up your main inventory.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

No, no one ever said that. And it's wrong. It would work.

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Care to elaborate? It's my impression that the Dev team has already said on more than one occasion that they can't access more than 160 items in two locations in the PS2 RAM at a time. That's why inventories are limited to 80 slots apiece, and you can only look at two of them at a time. Adding a new equip-ready storage option would require the game to hold 3 locations with 176 items at a time, which should be impossible based on what they've told us.

The only half-plausible solution I can think of off the top of my head is the introduction of an /equipsack command, which would only work on items in your mog sack rather than your inventory. This way, the game would still just be opening 76 items in two locations. However, you'd have to design your macros as well as your sack/inventory around which command you're going to be using for each piece. That would be a bit cumbersome.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Care to elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The only half-plausible solution I can think of off the top of my head is the introduction of an /equipsack command, which would only work on items in your mog sack rather than your inventory.

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Elaborated. That was exactly what the OP said (if I understood it correctly, only he called it /equip1 and /equip2 for satchel and sack respectively), and it has nothing at all to do with memory. The query, as is, could be sent to the server, where it would be decided if it's equippable or not. That's the way it currently works with items anyway. The client doesn't perform a check, whether or not the item exists in your inventory, it just sends the raw string to the server. You can test that semi-easily, if you equip an item before it drops to your inventory, if you press it a second before it drops. On the server, the item has already dropped, and it will equip it, before it says so on the client. This shows, that the client itself does not perform a check for the item, but just sends the command to the server, where the inventory-presence of said item is checked. So /equip1 or /equip2 would only really need to do the same thing, only the server checks for the satchel- or sack-presence.

That's exactly what I meant. /equip1 being for the existing Gobbie Bag, /equip2 being for Mog Satchel, Mog Sack, or for something new, which was my idea of the Gob Sack. An additional 80 inventory slots that's specifically for equipment and items to be used when you select items or are in the equipment menu.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Care to elaborate? It's my impression that the Dev team has already said on more than one occasion that they can't access more than 160 items in two locations in the PS2 RAM at a time. That's why inventories are limited to 80 slots apiece, and you can only look at two of them at a time. Adding a new equip-ready storage option would require the game to hold 3 locations with 176 items at a time, which should be impossible based on what they've told us.

The only half-plausible solution I can think of off the top of my head is the introduction of an /equipsack command, which would only work on items in your mog sack rather than your inventory. This way, the game would still just be opening 76 items in two locations. However, you'd have to design your macros as well as your sack/inventory around which command you're going to be using for each piece. That would be a bit cumbersome.

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This was the impression I was under as well, since the devs have commented countless times on why things like this (and using consumable items directly from sack/satchel) could not be implemented. People have been requesting stuff like this since the implementation of the new storage areas. If it were easy to do, I would think they would have done it already.

But Arcon told me I was wrong, and since he obviously knows exactly how the game is coded and that it would be simplistic to implement, I just backed off and let him run with it. After all, I don't know either, all I have to go by is what the devs have said before. I'm not the expert that Arcon is.

in order for us to equip something that's not in our inventory they have to deal with codes that are specifically made to NOT let us do this. then they have to code the new gob sack as it was inventory yet have it not conflict with our normal inventory.

you cant swap stuff from your bag to character without trading an item unless you made it the same as player inventory or messed with a ton of codes.

i really doubt we'll ever get any further then we already are. the only thing i could see is a macro to swap your items for items from the sack or satchel. then you could macro to swap hMP set with MAB set and hit the next macro to equip.

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Originally Posted by Buffy

My personal suggestion is a sack for each job, questable at level 100. If on ninja, can equip gear from ninja sack. If on blm, can equip gear from blm sack. Anything usable over multiple jobs can be put in main inventory along with meds. Just give us twenty sacks.

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This, quite simply.

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Originally Posted by Divinius

I'm not the expert that Arcon is.

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Not many people recognize it. Thank you.

As I said, I think you just misinterpreted the OP. What he said isn't limited by the PS2, because it doesn't affect the client at all. All it would have to do is send a chat line to the server, something the PS2 client is more than capable of doing.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

in order for us to equip something that's not in our inventory they have to deal with codes that are specifically made to NOT let us do this.

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How do you know that? How do you know they ever made code like that? Do you think they check if the item is in your satchel, and if that's true, they won't let you equip it? Why would they do that, if there's no interface for us to equip from the satchel in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

you cant swap stuff from your bag to character without trading an item unless you made it the same as player inventory or messed with a ton of codes.

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Again, how do you know that? How do you know it's a ton, and not just one line, that would exist with or without satchels and sacks? Because that's how I would have done it. And if I could do it, SE can too. People need to stop insulting SE by repeating over and over again that their code could have been done better by a three year old disabled kid. Because if you're assuming what you do of their code, you're pretty much saying that.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

i really doubt we'll ever get any further then we already are. the only thing i could see is a macro to swap your items for items from the sack or satchel. then you could macro to swap hMP set with MAB set and hit the next macro to equip.

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This, on the other hand, would actually require a lot of changes to the code, the part of the code that allows only one item to switch places at a time. Ever notice that it takes twelve years, give or take, to swap out gear for different jobs from your Mog Safe? That's because the server prevents item transfer while another transfer is in progress. So if they gave us that option, gearing up from your satchel or sack would take ages, but it would work as it does now, or it would require them to change that particular piece of code (which would also be appreciated, but that, I believe, they won't ever touch, because it require looking at a lot of other things too, like trading and item drops from mobs, receiving rewards from NPCs, anything that involves the inventory in any way).