[Soap Box] {Lock On} & general charity shouts

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Shouts like the ones in the OP usually get torn apart in /shout by other people. It's hilarious watching people lock literally every item and expecting people to come help.

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I see you're from Sylph. Yes, they really do. It's a rare day that I'm logged in and don't see that happen in Jeuno.

The thing that I've been noticing, though, is that they're catching on and trying to be more covert with it. Usually bait and switch. I've personally experienced someone do the 'I want 2 drops' thing from my OP but lie and say there was a mythical person that never showed up and oh, he wanted the drops that were locked by the no show.

LOL

I don't even like locking stuff for my friends that also are coming, I'm only shouting to get max TH/procs for the thing I want and can do the same for my friend on a better NM later...

I always have the pop sets pre-farmed, and always at least 2, usually 3 read to go x_x

I solo the game because I'm a boss and never have to deal with any shouts ever.

Just kidding. I have friends and kill things with them. Honestly that's the best answer, 110% of the time. I do not really see the point in playing social games without making friends anyways. Though to be fair, I abhor walking into most social shells because I generally just see a bunch of teenagers trying to cyber and e-flirt with each other. Gross.

No it's not just your server, I see it all the time on Lakshmi. Most people go with the rule "the person is setting up the run, they get to lock anything they want". I can see that being the case if they took the time to farm the pops before hand, but if the shout includes farming pops then the shouter has no justification for locking items. However some exceptions are KI pops from time spawned NM's. In my case it's adze and some landworm NM for KI's for glavoid. But I have taken the time to farm 6 sets of pops for the other NM's.

Frankly I either solo stuff I need now or just wait til I have brews and just hope I get lucky. The people that get me are the ones who try to sell drops, a recent notable shout is loki's kaftan for 800k. Or even selling leech spots for 50k an hour per person that joins.

I do both of those for great success

Setting stuff up doesn't entitle anyone to anything. That was just the excuse people used to use to justify ripping other people off. Nothing in this game requires such tactical coordination as to warrant a salary for performing it. Even when I handled tactical logistics for my endgame linkshell back when things were actually new and not-figured-out, the reward I got, and which I felt to be completely appropriate, was praise - not virtual material goods.

Edit: Though I don't condemn anyone who sells drops. That is a completely different story.

I loved the guy on my server selling danzo sune-ate for 2M for like 3 weeks straight. Wonder if he finally found an idiot to buy them.

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Originally Posted by Anethia

No it's not just your server, I see it all the time on Lakshmi. Most people go with the rule "the person is setting up the run, they get to lock anything they want". I can see that being the case if they took the time to farm the pops before hand, but if the shout includes farming pops then the shouter has no justification for locking items. However some exceptions are KI pops from time spawned NM's. In my case it's adze and some landworm NM for KI's for glavoid. But I have taken the time to farm 6 sets of pops for the other NM's.

Frankly I either solo stuff I need now or just wait til I have brews and just hope I get lucky. The people that get me are the ones who try to sell drops, a recent notable shout is loki's kaftan for 800k. Or even selling leech spots for 50k an hour per person that joins.

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I don't know if I should feel better or worst that it's not just my server. ;)

I also don't like seeing people merc out things like loki's. Specifically because it gets in the way of people trying to get it themselves. It's one thing to have competition for a spawned mob because people need the items, it's another thing when it's someone to <insert insult> to get gil in a better way. Merc shinryu drops all you want afaic, leave the timed pops for people who need them.

Also, on Sylph leech spots go for 100k/hr. I don't know how I feel about leech spots. On one hand idc if people buy them as it doesn't affect me. On the other hand, if people are mercing leech spots just to merc leech spots, that takes away for the overall available mobs for people to farm for a real reason. (such as AF base feet, cruor, etc)

I don't see why you have more right to something because you're not selling it opposed to someone who is

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Originally Posted by Rearden

I don't see why you have more right to something because you're not selling it opposed to someone who is

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It's not about rights, it's about courtesy, ethics and R/Ex. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Fun fact: Selling R/Ex gear was started by RMT