Poor Poor Rdm...useless as ever even to 95

EDIT: It won't stack with Accession because Sch cannot learn or use it. There are no spells Sch main can't learn or get from subjob that are accession-able last I checked.

SCHs can't learn Phalanx but they can use it with Acession. They cannot learn stun but it can be used with the JA as well As Bar Spells and En spells.

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Originally Posted by Miera

SCHs can't learn Phalanx but they can use it with Acession. They cannot learn stun but it can be used with the JA as well As Bar Spells and En spells.

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Scholar can sub those and get them though. An exception was made for Haste because SE enjoys kicking puppies.

I'm fairly certain Gain spells cannot be accession'd.

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Originally Posted by Miera

SCHs can't learn Phalanx but they can use it with Acession. They cannot learn stun but it can be used with the JA as well As Bar Spells and En spells.

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I'm so sick of this. It's some crazy misunderstanding of ven diagrams and set theory or someone always says it wrong and people start arguing.

A spell cannot be accessioned if SCH main cannot use it in some way either through main or sub job. I'm sure that's what Neisan meant, because everyone knows about Phalanx and enspells. The ONLY exceptions where Refresh, Shell V and Break, for a short time period, presumably because SCH main would be able to use them through its main or sub job, in a pending update, and it did. Currently the rule stands for all spells. If SCH can't use it, it can't be accessioned. That means nothing learned by a job above level 50 will be accessionable, unless SCH gets or will get it. It would make absolutely no sense for a spell that SCH will never be able to cast have its major defining job ability used on it by another job!

So, you won't be able to accession Temper any more than you can accession gain spells, enspell II, Cure V. That is of course, unless SE decides to change this rule and allow /SCH to get more use out of the job than SCH/?, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.

And please don't pull out spells like Haste and Reraise, because those are the opposite logical direction. If a SCH can't use it it can't be accessioned, but additional spells can also not be accessioned. In other words, the set of spells SCH can't use are a proper subset of all non-accessionable spells.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

I'm so sick of this. It's some crazy misunderstanding of ven diagrams and set theory or someone always says it wrong and people start arguing.

A spell cannot be accessioned if SCH main cannot use it in some way either through main or sub job. I'm sure that's what Neisan meant, because everyone knows about Phalanx and enspells. The ONLY exceptions where Refresh, Shell V and Break, for a short time period, presumably because SCH main would be able to use them through its main or sub job, in a pending update, and it did. Currently the rule stands for all spells. If SCH can't use it, it can't be accessioned. That means nothing learned by a job above level 50 will be accessionable, unless SCH gets or will get it. It would make absolutely no sense for a spell that SCH will never be able to cast have its major defining job ability used on it by another job!

So, you won't be able to accession Temper any more than you can accession gain spells, enspell II, Cure V. That is of course, unless SE decides to change this rule and allow /SCH to get more use out of the job than SCH/?, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.

And please don't pull out spells like Haste and Reraise, because those are the opposite logical direction. If a SCH can't use it it can't be accessioned, but additional spells can also not be accessioned. In other words, the set of spells SCH can't use are a proper subset of all non-accessionable spells.

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Whoah there Leroy, no need to fly off the handle. It was a misunderstanding

Just a misunderstanding, bad wording and cleared up by Cid, nothing to see here folks.

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Whoah there Leroy, no need to fly off the handle. It was a misunderstanding

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Well at least it was only one exclamation mark:...

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It would make absolutely no sense for a spell that SCH will never be able to cast have its major defining job ability used on it by another job!

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But at least Red Mage can...um... <insert something unique and useful here>

I love that WHM gets addle and RDM and SCH don't even get cure V... I mean for serious - how many levels has it been since either got a cure spell? It doesn't even follow the normal progression

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Well at least it was only one exclamation mark:...



But at least Red Mage can...um... <insert something unique and useful here>

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My edits were toning down the 10 other exclamation marks. This update is atrocious.

I agree about RDM, but don't think the way to handle it is by subbing SCH to do something SCH can't do. I guess we can Elemental Seal Paralyze II and Penury+Cure V is nice on WHM, but using accession on spells SCH can't seems like a much bigger deal.