So there's only 5 jobs that work now?

Because one avatar that is only a 2 hour ability should be the only thing that makes summoner useful.

Please, any argument saying SMN is good which mentions perfect defense is invalid. It's a one trick pony.

Oh would you stop talking when you don't understand anything you read Alhanhelem? It's quite clear if you'd actually understood the flow of the conversation that I was merely correcting Malamasala claim that smn is useless in zerging when it's actually the main use/role for the job outside of earthen armour in voidwatch.
I didn't say smn is good. I didn't say it was shit. You're giving me the impression that your mind is randomly injecting words and statements that dont exist into conversations.

It's because he's the pseudo dev team representative. He actually confers with the devs prior to any post.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Exceptionally is an extreme exaggeration. I've done plenty of voidwatch without it (mainly for not being in a tank or melee party) and I can't say we lost a single one because of lack of Earthen Armor. (I've lost a malboro fight thanks to lack of stun, and I've lost a mandragora fight thanks to lack of stun... so I'd say stunners are plenty more useful than Earthen Armor)

Summoner however is just fine for dealing damage though. But then, so were they in sky 2004. And Summoner will remain useful until we end up in zerg situations again. (Or too much annoying absorb monsters, those can really turn a 1 min attack into a 1 min disaster)

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They are excpetional.I feel no exaggeration what so ever. Can you do it without them? Yah. But it'll go a lot faster with them. I'm talking about T~3 Voidwatch mobs, Like say Voidwrought, Where having Earthern Armor/Scherzo is imperative.

As far as them being useless in a zerg, Alexander aside, I can't see very many things being "Zergable" in the near future without Alexander.If the current pattern keeps up almost all mobs will build Souleater Resistance, and Stun resistance, and come equipped with horrible AoEs.

I don't know what you could do for the SMN job during a zerg-fight TBH, It slips my mind :|

hasn't it always been that some jobs were useless and other jobs were god-like, depending on what content was popular at the time?

Yah, Ever since RoTZ

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Oh would you stop talking when you don't understand anything you read Alhanhelem?

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Oh would you stop slandering people when they clearly do understand what they read Khajiit? You're coming off as bright as your namesake race from Oblivion. If you say one thing but mean another, you need to make it more *&^#$ing obvious. Otherwise, it makes you look like your story is changing. Your main strategy with anyone is to attack the person and claim they didn't/couldn't read when clearly they did or they wouldn't have posted.

You said alexander was SMN's "main use." That's not even true at all, even if it's the only thing the best of the best like about it.

Malamasa said SMN had no use in a Zerg fight

He Said they had Alexander for Zerg fights.

Edit: He says "Summoner's main use is Zerg fights... thanks to alexander" so now its a toss up.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

DRK is useless

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It's all cyclical. The playerbase's perception of each job and their individual desirability rose and fell over the years and will continue to do so in the future.

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Seems like Eeek's statment is very true to me.

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Originally Posted by Eeek

MNK struggled to get invites in the skillchain-MB era.

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i refer to these days as the dark ages because drks were god tier distortion making dd's. and it was normal to spend 2-3 days LFG before finally getting an invite.