spharai vs verethgna..

Let me put it this way.

Why do we have DD tanks in the first place? To deal damage while tanking. If we wanted 100% most survivability, there wouldn't be any tanks but PLD or fully eva geared evasion jobs that output little to no damage at all.

DDs are put on there because even though they're less survivable, you can still keep them alive.


If you find a mob where the 10% counter is going to be the diff between consistently winning a fight and consistently losing a fight, then you'll have a point on Spharai, but until then it's just what PLD tanks were. A saftey net. It has better survivability, but if you can survive with both, why not use the one that does more damage?

i prefer to do things with the least amount of people possible which means not always having those ideal support jobs in your party. Now, i've personnally played with both verethanga mnks and relic mnks in low man events and i personally like relic over verethanga. Good thing about freedom is we are all entitled to our opinions! I hear what you are saying and see your justification but again personally if someone said hey we'll give you a relic or empyrean h2h what do you want, i'd take relic cause you never know whats gonna get revamped with relics. But really i think it boils down to how you play monk and what kind of events you use it for.

The counter rate with relic over verethanga for low man / soloing / dual boxing a healer with you is more appealing to me.

Again to each his own and good luck on your adventures in acquiring whatever you choose

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The counter rate with relic over verethanga for low man / soloing / dual boxing a healer with you is more appealing to me.

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Well, if you're talking outside of abyssea, post lv 90, I hope they new content is going to be more challenging and require more than dual boxing to do. (which is where the support jobs I mentioned earlier come in)

If you're referring to inside abyssea, you can cap counter rate w/ vereth, so Spharai adds no extra utility there since you'll counter the exact same percentage with both weapons.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Whm can get 5/tic base and 20/tic in atma. 25/tic.

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Close. Whm can get 7/tic base.

owleyes 1
hairpin 1
WoTG earring 1
AF3+2 body 2
Brygid subligar 1
Serpentes set 1

not going to count refresh from subjob, or gear that requires you to be asleep/poisoned.

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Originally Posted by Protey

Close. Whm can get 7/tic base.

owleyes 1
hairpin 1
WoTG earring 1
AF3+2 body 2
Brygid subligar 1
Serpentes set 1

not going to count refresh from subjob, or gear that requires you to be asleep/poisoned.

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lol that only furthers my point. Thanks.

With the way the game currently is, Verethragna is the way to go. It currently out does Spharai in almost everything. The amount of work needed to get it isn't as bad as Spharai either. That's not to say Spharai is useless (I currently have a lvl 85 Spharai), but overall Verethragna is better.

looks like a tough call. but i see that spharai may be done as far as upgrades go. Looks like verethragna still has some potential left on upgrades. Even if its a crit hit ws i think even outside abbysea it should still do some sick dmg. With the new dynamis stuff coming out i think it will be alot easier to get currencies and what have you. So eventually getting both weapons is in my plans. p.s. Galka MNK FTW :P

Just curious what makes you think relic weapons are done with upgrades? SE has published statements saying that they plan to revamp both relics and mythics so that they can be more on par with empys. As for OP's question, spharai is better for defensive purposes and vere is better for offensive purposes, as of right now vere is easier to get and would compliment you better seeing as how well atmas make you a strong tank in abyssea, but if your concerned about next update then why not work on both? It's what I'm doing, I got Amanomurakumo in the works and both Caladbolg and Masamune goin atm, and I wont to add Ragnorok to that list but I can wait til after Amanomurakumo cuz relics at this point take awhile to build. So what it all boils down to is you can't predict the future but SE has plans to buff up our relics and mythics so keep that in mind on your decisions, and GL.

GLANZFAUST, i wish more monks had them

definetly aren't the best but they loooook soooooo badass :3

I wonder what the lvl 90 versions focus/dodge augments are.
Focus Iv: 10% atk/crit
dodge iv: 10% counter rate

Id definitly use it if I had it (won it in mog bonanza), although I would probably take the pup one over this one.