PUP demoted to 20th place.. by COR?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Honestly not much changed since the last vanadiel census. COR and PUP both suck. COR is a fail attempt at doing a BRD and PUP will always not be a MNK. MNK #1, PUP #20 and it's not because of verethragna or victory smite because both jobs have it.

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Trollololololol >.....................................>

I like the idea that PUP isn't a "bandwagon" job like MNK, its means (or at least implies) most of the PUP are more skilled in the job (This holds true on Cerb at higher lvls, not sure about other servers)

Cor's position has nothing whatsoever to do with COR sucking and everything to do with it being expensive.

Similarly, To play PUP to its fullest requires a fair amount of cash as well. But those who do so absolutely can fight alongside most DDs. PUP is no longer a bottom tier job in performance.

COR is cheap PUP requires 7,500,000 gil just to pay for your attachements "bro". They need to use oils as well and food. And no, even with that PUP is pretty weak DD which is crap, and I'm not even quantifying its inferior tanking or healng "skill". But maybe you will run numbers for us ? The best estimations I've seen/done put PUP at 80% of a monk DD-wise. And yes that's with a puppet (that sucks). One of the main problem is that the use of manoeuvers considerably weakens your damage output since it systematically puts a 2 second delay during wich you do not attack, so the best way to take the max out of job is to *not* use manoeuvers or a limited use. Then there is the fact that pup's delay sucks, monk can cap delay and pup can't etc etc. Then there are AOE-retarded endgame content (every thing). Then there is the fact that BLM nukes better, WHM heals better etc. Playing PUP is like curing tanking on PLD. You don't really know why you are here.

Pchan... you are the global epitome for why Facepalming was developed. I've seen you on your PUP more than I have on your MNK. I'm not using that as a defense to say PUP is better than MNK but you sure do know how to bad mouth a job you always used in full Usukane.

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COR is cheap PUP requires 7,500,000 gil just to pay for your attachements "bro".

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1) All the attchments don't cost anywhere near that much in total on Shiva

2) COR dice cost almost as much and only come from NPCs, so there's no chance of the price going lower; COR also has to spend gil on ammo and cards constantly while PUP doesn't. PUP does have the repair oil but that's not absolutely necessary to the job most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

1) All the attchments don't cost anywhere near that much in total on Shiva

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Good thing for you that FFXIAH is down atm.

EDIT : They cost around 9.1M on shiva lulz

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2) COR dice cost almost as much and only come from NPCs, so there's no chance of the price going lower;

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Probably because your can't count .. or something. A wiki, what is it ? I count ~ 1.250M for all rolls.

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COR also has to spend gil on ammo and cards constantly while PUP doesn't. PUP does have the repair oil but that's not absolutely necessary to the job most of the time.

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Repairing is absolutely necessary if you want to keep your pet alive. Try to play the job ? Everything is aoe spammy on pretty much any content. Role reversal might not be ready at anytime etc. And OMG at card costing ... basically nothing. 50g a card, oh my god !!! Bullet ? so what ? GL spending 7M on anything during a reasonable amount of time.

PS : Is moink that gimp PUP that flamed me because I refused to befriend him on qcdn lolz?

PPS : before anyone mentions it 7M is nothing (~ 700k of yesterday). A BLM has to spend a lot more, YET It ranks second among level 90 players ...

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Repairing is absolutely necessary if you want to keep your pet alive.

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I play the job all the damn time. Repair is rarely absolutely necessary. It is most needed with sharpshot, but more often than not, you can just use role reversal and pop a potion or have someone heal you, or use a healing salve if you're in abyssea.

Also, you're a fool if you buy every single attachment; the two most important ones cost less than 3 mil in total, most of the orther core attachements are less than 10k from NPCs, others are easily found from normal mobs and NMs. I can guarantee you this much: I didn't spend 9 mil, 7 mil or even 5 mil on attachments. Other than the NPC bought ones, the only 1mil+ attachment I bought was the turbo charger. You can also deduct several hundred K if you have some imperial standing. All the newest attachments i've seen selling for as much as 100k when they were new (not as much now but still a lot), but they can be yours for 20k imperial standing total. Unless you only started recently, you probably have a fair amount of unused imperial standing.

COR has no choice but to buy all the dice from NPCs; BLMs can hunt and farm most of their scrolls if they have the patience. Cor also has a much higher ongoing cost to play than PUP, this is absolutely undisputable. If you have to use repair oil so often that you're spending more on oil than a COR does on bullets in cards, you're doing something SEIROUSLY wrong. "So what?" to bullets? Obviously you have no idea how fast you can go through them. It's either use bad bullets, or pay up the wazoo, or never shoot except to weaponskill. PUP on the other hand, can continue to function at more or less full capacity even if the automaton dies, thanks to deus ex- You are never without your automaton for more than 60 seconds.

If you think PUP costs more to play than either COR or RNG being played to their full potential, then you've got some re-calculating to do.

another reason i like pup... besides food and they extremely inexpensive oils (like a side trip to an npc for a stack or 2 of oils is really that much of a pain) pup is pretty much just pick up and play like u would any other job, but w/ pup u get multiple roles in 1 job, and thankfully u DONT have to buy ammo for SS frame or spells for mage frames. Is pup mnk? no, so y even compare them? pup however is quite a bit more fun though^^ atleast to me.
With dmg output... we r pretty amazing, even when we use maneuvers during combat, it's knowing what to do and when. As for cost... i wont argue that it can get expensive... but that varies greatly from server to server and like Alhan said pup has ways of getting the attachments in other ways... where as w/ cor, its all fixed to an npc. bullets get really expensive if u play cor as a DD (which i try to... but gil been tight :P). elemental cards arent expensive but the majority come from a guild type shop in nashmau and when they sell out... they out, otherwise u need to skill alchemy, either way u gotta jump through hoops to get everything u need.
i guess my point is~ actually idk what point i was trying to make XD but lordy dont complain about the cost of a job or "omg its not a mnk or rng or war so it has to LOLsuck" if u wanna play a cheaper job then go play 1... (though if u were around back in the day, O-kote were like 10m, cross counters were up there 2... so mnk wasnt cheap either..) but all jobs r diffrent and cost diffrent amounts to play and use properly, it all depends on how u wanna play @.@

P.S. job rank in the census really doesnt mean a dang thing @.@ just silly numbers attributed to "wow that job can do alot! ima abyssea spam lvl it!" and also.... dont make personal atks on pple... just makes u look more like 1 of the jerks out there :P

P.S.S. END OF MY TEXT WALL!

I wish oil stacked 99.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I can guarantee you this much: I didn't spend 9 mil, 7 mil or even 5 mil on attachments. Other than the NPC bought ones, the only 1mil+ attachment I bought was the turbo charger. You can also deduct several hundred K if you have some imperial standing. All the newest attachmements i've seen selling for as much as 100k when they were new (not as much now but still a lot), but they can be yours for 20k imperial standing total. Unless you only started recently, you probably have a fair amount of unused imperial standing.

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Is this how you aswer when proven wrong ? Seriously, troll less. You are admitting to play PUP gimp, and since you CHOOSE to play the job the gimp way, by not buying ANY usefull attachement (except one), anyone should play like you and as such pup is supposed to be less expensive than COR ? That's not how it works. Secondly noone cares about the trash attachement that sell for essentially nothing at the npc or the AH (less than 100k). All the expensive ones come from a BCNM. I mean yes you can get them solo (trio actually since you need 3 to enter though one of them is an easy solo with a non fail job, aka not a pup), but with the rate at which you get an attachement and the limit per day you are better of buying with money, because time is money doh.