Actually, that argument was over the description of it being a bug, and not whether you agreed with the design. You later started calling it retarded, while defending your statement in agreement to it being a bug. And that is the same issue here.
The OP stated "I consider this a bug and no matter how quirky it is I'd like it fixed". And again... I am trying to explain that it is not a bug, but in fact the way it was designed to work. This player just was not properly informed as to how it works, and so made the mistake of requesting 30 minutes of time and going over the cap and lost the value of that stone. now he/she, and anyone else who may read this thread can see the documentation on just how it is designed to work and should be the wiser from now on.
"Extend time" in la theine abyssea...
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06-20-2011, 02:07 PMRAIST
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06-20-2011, 02:19 PMRAIST
oh, and this thing about adding a stone and getting 0 time, haven't seen that happen. Just tried to make it do it. Went in with 74 minutes, used a 48 minutes stone to push it to 120 minutes. When back to the confulx surveyor and it wouldn't give me an option to add a stone, and I still have 2 more on me. So until I see evidence of adding a stone for 0 minutes when you capped out 120 minutes with stones, I'll have to question that claim.
even went to a conflux, killed a tiger and came back when I was down to 115 minutes... still won't let me spend a stone. So, as far as I can tell... it is working as intended. -
06-20-2011, 03:49 PMTsukino_Kaji
What SE should have done, so people would complain less, is to show the value you would gain from the extention instead of the faulse value potrayed. I.e. One stone is 30min + 12(Or however much you have.) = 42. System says, "Extent your visit but 42min? You have extended your visit by 14min." Instead it should say in the first place that you would only gain 14 to begin with.
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06-20-2011, 06:51 PMAlkalinehoeNo, it SHOULD stay the same. Maybe you should stop sucking and get TEs, cause the only reason you should be timing out is if you are killing extremely slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raksha
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06-20-2011, 08:21 PMSaefinn
Yes it was originally argued that it was a bug, but when revealed that it wasn't, it doesn't that somebody feels there needs to be a change. Bug or intended feature, the guy wants it out. He got some information wrong but it doesn't change the point of the argument.
Whilst it would make it easier, but pointless in my opinion. E.G. I might go in with 120 mins and carry 3 stones, I'll stay in for 90 mins with 30 mins of time left over then I might decide to stay longer and I can either: go back to the conflux surveyor and give him more stones or get some TE to save wasting stones. It's what most people seem to do - e.g. in between NM pops go off and kills mobs for TE. In a party there's a good chance people will be doing TEs anyway. Soloing is the only case where I go for the former option. If I've got 120 mins and 3 stones, I can be in Aby for a long time and it's not as if I can't warp back for more. Sure it interrupts lights but they're not hard to rebuild.
In my opinion it's a part of the Abyssea experience. But of course, you may wish to disagree, which is fine because you don't have to agree. I'm not fascist after all. -
06-20-2011, 10:52 PMRaxiaz
I don't care if it's not a bug. I don't care if it's "working as intended." I don't care about any of that crap.
The point is, a traverser stone should not be wasted due to a flawed system. I don't care if it's to place restrictions - the restriction should be that there is no "extend time" feature from the Conflux Surveyor. +17 minutes from a 42-minute stone makes no sense to me. It also makes no sense to me to have the "extend time" feature to "extend time" based on what you originally had after giving the Surveyor some stones at the start. If it's not going to give at least 50% of its value in time, what's the point of using a traverser stone?
Yes, it boils down to how informed/experience you are. I can assure you I will never, ever, ever use the "extend time" feature like this because it's pointless and wasteful. The function should not exist. I don't care if it's "working as intended" because quite frankly it's doing nothing to benefit anyone. Just don't exist any more. If I want more time and had to go back to the Surveyor for it, I might as well just enter and re-enter. If I was in such a situation, I'd be duo'ing... just like I said I was. I tried to get lights up, but that wasn't working out so well for me. Sorry for "sucking." Sorry for wanting to just "play the game." *eyeroll*
I have all 3 celerity abyssites. I don't care about traverser stones on my characters. What I care about is the fact that the function is poorly explained in-game and opens the door for people to waste their stones.
+0 time can occur. Go in, you have ~30 minutes remaining from last time. Give two stones, +30 min each, giving a total of 90 minutes. Go out, do your thing, get a bunch of TEs, have well over 120+min, and if you go back you can "extend time." Doing so gives you +0 minutes. You can do this because as far as I know it calculates your "current time" based on what you had when you initially traded stones.
How does it make sense? How is it logical? How is it a balanced system? It's just stupid and poorly executed, in my opinion. The function, should not exist at all. Bug or not. -
06-20-2011, 11:15 PMhikoworking as intended etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxiaz
what's the point of using a stones if it gives you less than 50% of its value in time? simple being able to exit and reenter without waiting if you went under 5min remaining. else goto Else:
+0 time can NOT occur, in your situation it wil offer you to use no stone.
it's logical and balanced because it "force" people(who have 0spell or cant mele shit) to team up to cap pearl and azure
if you cap azure and pearl and still time out, goto Else:
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06-20-2011, 11:18 PMRaxiaz
And to take away the "Extend time" option fixes the issue because (1) people won't waste traverser stones; (2) you still have to team up to get pearl and azure lights.
I can't see why anyone would want to use this feature in the first place. -
06-21-2011, 12:21 AMZagen
I like the fact that I can run in with say 90 minutes and do random NMs if I lose track of time and get the 5 minute warning I can run back add time even if the stone is partially wasted I don't care it gets me above the 5min limit allowing me to exit, reenter, and add more time to keep farming NMs without building TEs or having to wait 1 hour to go back in. Seems pretty cool to me.
As to it being confusing I can see that the first time you ever use the system if you don't pay attention to how it is implemented. -
06-21-2011, 01:57 AMRakshaQuote:
Originally Posted by RAIST
It may have been fixed, It was a long time ago when i remember that happening, but regardless You use stones to go over 120 minutes, what i'm talking about is going in with 30 minutes, getting 9 TEs, and then going to extend time.
My memory could have failed me, dunno.
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lol, I'm gonna go through every thread I find now and report 'vulgar' comments'Quote: