The STF does nothing and I'm going to post every report I file as proof.

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08-26-2022, 12:32 PM
Uriah

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08-26-2022, 09:47 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Uriah

Saltyryan just always looks for attention. he's best mostly ignored.

Not to point out the obvious here at your attempt in formulating condescending remarks. However, it isn't ignoring someone when you directly refer to them in the third person. 10/10 for name originality though.
08-27-2022, 12:06 PM
Uriah

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08-27-2022, 11:21 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm not so sure we will. lol

They are trapped in the spiral of their own making. A paradoxical world of defiance and denial. Where the more they report a single individual over and over. The less reason there is to, due to the ever increasing evidence of futility in their actions. Yet they—in what could even be ascribed to fanaticism if not an outright cry for professional help—refuse to change their own self-determined course.

TL;DR: Each report unanswered creates more evidence it will be anything but ignored. To continue ignoring being ignored and expect "we will find out" is pure insanity.
08-28-2022, 02:25 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

They are trapped in the spiral of their own making. A paradoxical world of defiance and denial. Where the more they report a single individual over and over. The less reason there is to, due to the ever increasing evidence of futility in their actions. Yet they—in what could even be ascribed to fanaticism if not an outright cry for professional help—refuse to change their own self-determined course.

TL;DR: Each report unanswered creates more evidence it will be anything but ignored. To continue ignoring being ignored and expect "we will find out" is pure insanity.

Well that's the point I was trying to make. If these reports were ever seen by anyone, and it would be hard for even an SE employee casually passing by not to at least see this thread (And I know for a fact it has been, particularly considering the past thread deletions and merges), then clearly, they've already come to a conclusion about this character. Reporting a variety of users, particularly those cheating in more ways than simply automating their play, and still seeing nothing would be a far better indicator of their stance.

And I say this out of a shared desire to see the game cleaned up.
08-28-2022, 11:50 AM
Uriah

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08-28-2022, 02:36 PM
Zehira

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Originally Posted by Demonviper

Imagine coming to this thread and acting like a jerk to someone reporting cheaters.

What's the point? They're doing a public service.

Just a point is do we want any more lying report from the STF team? They only address it once or none a year. Not only it affects us, it also affects the other side of this forum. This thread already created a good evidence everyone is safe no matter what rules you break which is indeed sad.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm not so sure we will. lol

I am not so sure either. It seems SE decided to let this thread to be his little toy to play with during a period of time (?). This forum already powered by vbulletin and there are plenty of good plugins that admins can install one and make this thread invisible to them while this visible only to us.

Anyway, I have been enjoying Island Sanctuary in FFXIV. It's one of few reasons not to feel burnt out easily. I would love to see SE to keep supporting it. The idea of the Island Sanctuary is clearly based on the Mog Garden which I really enjoyed but I have already maximized everything. :(
08-28-2022, 03:09 PM
Alhanelem

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I am not so sure either. It seems SE decided to let this thread to be his little toy to play with during a period of time (?). This forum already powered by vbulletin and there are plenty of good plugins that admins can install one and make this thread invisible to them while this visible only to us.

They would never do something like that, that would make it impossible to examine for terms violations. Not saying there is currently but there could be in the future. It's not hard to simply ignore something.
08-28-2022, 03:30 PM
Zehira

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They would never do something like that, that would make it impossible to examine for terms violations. Not saying there is currently but there could be in the future. It's not hard to simply ignore something.

They can hide this thread somehow they please. The only way to get their attention is you reporting a post.
08-28-2022, 05:18 PM
Alhanelem

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They can hide this thread somehow they please. The only way to get their attention is you reporting a post

I'm just saying there's no reason or motivation for them to hide a post from themselves, which is what you said. They're supposed to be professional enough to be above grudges and petty squabbles.
08-28-2022, 09:04 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm just saying there's no reason or motivation for them to hide a post from themselves, which is what you said. They're supposed to be professional enough to be above grudges and petty squabbles.

However, they aren't, and they have intentionally allowed this thread and it's main poster to continue. Just like the entirely different GM team has allowed botting to continue as a rampant plague upon Vana'diel. I say this as someone who wants both cleaned up.

Since they have deliberately decided to neglect any responsibility towards such individuals. They may as well hide this thread. As the OP is no less of a problem than what they are reporting.
08-29-2022, 09:04 AM
Uriah

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08-29-2022, 10:43 AM
Alhanelem

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However, they aren't, and they have intentionally allowed this thread and it's main poster to continue. Just like the entirely different GM team has allowed botting to continue as a rampant plague upon Vana'diel. I say this as someone who wants both cleaned up.

I mean, this isn't SE/the moderators putting him on their ignore list. This is them dealing with this situation by containing these posts to one thread (when he had made several, and has had at least one account banned).

Sometimes, it is in fact better to just let someone live in their own little corner instead of dealing with an unnecessairly angry person who's going to keep making accounts (I wouldn't put it past him to buy more copies of the game to do so)

I have been a mod on various forums over the years, and there is sometimes that one user who simply can not be shut down and it's easier to just shadowban them or shove their posts into a corner and let them do their thing where it bothers as few people as possible.

Honestly there are ways to do that in VB, I'm a little surrpised they didn't go that route. If it wasn't for us posting here, he could easily have been shadowbanned and not know it.
08-29-2022, 11:10 AM
Zehira

There a certain extension for Chrome or Firefox with the right script to hide all threads and posts created by users. It's a very powerful feature and no I am not ignoring Alhanelem. :)
08-29-2022, 10:44 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I mean, this isn't SE/the moderators putting him on their ignore list. This is them dealing with this situation by containing these posts to one thread (when he had made several, and has had at least one account banned).

Sometimes, it is in fact better to just let someone live in their own little corner instead of dealing with an unnecessairly angry person who's going to keep making accounts (I wouldn't put it past him to buy more copies of the game to do so)

I have been a mod on various forums over the years, and there is sometimes that one user who simply can not be shut down and it's easier to just shadowban them or shove their posts into a corner and let them do their thing where it bothers as few people as possible.

Honestly there are ways to do that in VB, I'm a little surrpised they didn't go that route. If it wasn't for us posting here, he could easily have been shadowbanned and not know it.

There is no containment here since it spills over into other interactions with them on other boards. Let alone any notion of shadow banning. It is entirely naive and justifies inaction.

Also being a mod and admin myself over the years. I don't understand this defeatist approach. It sends a message that anyone who puts up enough fuss will see the team fold. It's an unacceptable response. Especially since they would have to buy more copies of the game. Good, let them, that's great. It takes them far more effort than the moderator who is supposed to be doing the task they signed up for.

With how little moderation is required here it is absolutely inexcusable. Frankly, it sends a message reinforcing that the entirety of staff from the STF to the moderators and so on are negligent. It tarnishes the image of the company and erodes trust from the community to the historic lows we see in community sentiment.
08-30-2022, 02:41 AM
Alhanelem

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Also being a mod and admin myself over the years. I don't understand this defeatist approach.

WHen banning the same troll over and over again doesn't deter them, nothing will. In a few cases its gotten to the point where dealing with them has taken meaningful time away from other matters. There are people, like Uriah, whom can not be shut down no matter

On this forum it's m ore possible than most because forum accounts are tied to SE accounts. But I really would not put it past him to buy more copies of the game to keep playing his game. After all we already know he's had one account banned.
08-30-2022, 03:02 AM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

WHen banning the same troll over and over again doesn't deter them, nothing will. In a few cases its gotten to the point where dealing with them has taken meaningful time away from other matters. There are people, like Uriah, whom can not be shut down no matter

On this forum it's m ore possible than most because forum accounts are tied to SE accounts. But I really would not put it past him to buy more copies of the game to keep playing his game. After all we already know he's had one account banned.

The second paragraph disproves the first of having any validity here.
08-30-2022, 03:26 AM
Zehira

Get uBlock Origin extension for Chrome or Firefox and use the filter line.

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You can still visit this thread. It just won't be visible on the forum top.
08-30-2022, 04:55 AM
Alhanelem

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The second paragraph disproves the first of having any validity here.

You'd be surprised how far some people will go.
08-30-2022, 07:26 AM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You'd be surprised how far some people will go.

I'm really not surprised. I just don't agree with the excuses though.
08-30-2022, 09:36 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

I'm really not surprised. I just don't agree with the excuses though.

Do you really want to see how far they would take it if SE kept swinging the hammer?
08-30-2022, 10:15 AM
Catmato

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Do you really want to see how far they would take it if SE kept swinging the hammer?

Do you not?
08-30-2022, 10:44 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Do you not?

Well, I'd prefer this silliniess just stop, and I've tried reaching out, being understanding, and I've tried arguing against them, but so far I haven't discovered any rationality to what they're doing. So... I'm conflicted lol.

My mind just has to try to make sense of whatever it doesn't understand. But I'm starting to suspect nothing will change until either they get their wish, which we all know will never happen, or they get shut down until there's nothing left to be shut down.
08-30-2022, 10:59 AM
Uriah

#744 A rare mobile report, Page looks better than the PC page.
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08-30-2022, 11:45 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Do you really want to see how far they would take it if SE kept swinging the hammer?

Since you are insinuating the slippery slope fallacy , yes, absolutely.
08-31-2022, 08:08 AM
Uriah

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08-31-2022, 12:13 PM
Alhanelem

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Since you are insinuating the slippery slope fallacy , yes, absolutely.

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm asking a simple question. There is no logical fallacy because I'm not making an argument.
08-31-2022, 10:41 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm asking a simple question. There is no logical fallacy because I'm not making an argument.

You literally asked if I want to see how far they take the ban hammer. As in to say it won't stop there and how far will the slippery slope go.
09-01-2022, 11:05 AM
Uriah

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09-02-2022, 11:39 AM
Uriah

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09-02-2022, 01:06 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Uriah

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Today is the day for sure. Missing the other 3,000 for the same guy was just an oversight.
09-02-2022, 09:10 PM
Uriah

Poor salty, desperate for attention, left unread, so sad
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09-02-2022, 10:39 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Uriah

Poor salty, desperate for attention, left unread, so sad
#752
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As opposed to the attention seeking behavior of spamming screenshots of reports on the same bot every single day? Have you at least planned to take off on national holidays?
09-03-2022, 09:36 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

You literally asked if I want to see how far they take the ban hammer. As in to say it won't stop there and how far will the slippery slope go.

Yes, but I'm not making a supposition out of it. It was a simple question, do you want to see what happens or do you not? It's not a logical fallacy becuase it isn't the premise of a logic argument.
09-03-2022, 11:14 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Yes, but I'm not making a supposition out of it. It was a simple question, do you want to see what happens or do you not? It's not a logical fallacy becuase it isn't the premise of a logic argument.

It's a bit of a loaded question is all.
09-04-2022, 10:09 AM
Uriah

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09-04-2022, 11:12 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Uriah

Poor salty, desperate for attention, left unread, so sad
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Is it really more sad than making a daily ritual out of calling out a single suspected bot because you seem to have nothing better to do?
09-04-2022, 06:20 PM
Uriah

If I explain the difference, the mods will ban me, so that's not happening.
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09-05-2022, 01:20 PM
Sp1cyryan

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Originally Posted by Uriah

If I explain the difference, the mods will ban me, so that's not happening.
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Of course they won't ban you. They literally gave up on that. I am inclinded to believe that they would however, ban Alhan or I.
09-06-2022, 11:06 AM
Uriah

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