100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Um... claiming a disgust against PDT and "holding" are different topics.

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But, if the OP has to make this a "problem" by making them the same.

Nothing is wrong with having a BST solo anything, even with PDT-100%. But when you have a BST "holding" a mob, then it becomes a problem, at least with SE's eyes. Got to make them the same for there to be any changes.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Fix the problems first, then come around and remove the "positive" bugs that make us able to solo.

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Exactly. And would it have killed SE to give an elemental proc to axe? There sure are enough of them. Dagger already has energy drain, why did it need cyclone as well? What about gale axe? This obviously wouldn't fix the whole issue but if SE truly wants all jobs utilized in party situations why give some jobs so many tools to contribute to party settings when others get none?

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Originally Posted by Ilax

Ok your a funny clown, so i am lazy or unskilled bc i point a unfair -100% PDT, try harder.

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why try harder? the point is simple, ANYONE can achieve a -100pdt set-up in about 35 hours of playtime, that would include you. It is not broken, it's something anyone can do with a small amount of time and effort.

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Originally Posted by Ilax

We kill 1 NM before him, do i need to tell you how it ended to be the only one too? We moved to Bennu and dragua, do this make -100% PDT more fair, i doubt, still fun how it derail just to win again something that is clearly broken in the game. If it was so much fair, DEV would allow SMN to do the same thing, and let be serious here, who care abotu SMN with -100% PDT when they HS for 3~5k dmg? No way smn would have hold anything.

Question is how ppl like you guy end to think this is fair or so right?

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considerring the 100+ posts on here disagreeing with you I'm not sure how "clearly broken" it is. Oh, and arguably smn is BETTER at this than bst are, their call pet timer is measured in seconds, not minutes, and they can couple their -pdt with both -mdt AND elemental resistance... or exploit the elemental weakness of their prey. NMs that are magic happy just cost beast $ for the most part.

Arguably, solo is not the way to approach NMs in Aby, without proc ability you are a slave to luck. It's one of the reasons I choose not to solo there on NMs, the return on my time simply doesn't justify the effort. Because I don't get the help I need voluntarily to get the drops I need I'll admit I exploit the hold idea to get proccers into my fight, but only if they agree that whatever drops I want are mine before they get an invite; after all, I can solo it and I might get the drop anyway.

But seriously, hold is an issue with a hell of alot more jobs than beast, and harping on the -pdt issue does nothing if the hold is your point. +EVA soloing NMs often takes just as long, as can nuke|sleep|kite or kite|DoT but you don't attack them, just those using pets. In other words, you object to the WAY beast can solo (and only one of those, -pdt is not the only way we can go), the fact that with a bit of effort just about anyone else can too is conveniently left out. THAT is hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

My Aquillo has a magic eva aug. ^^

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Magic Evasion simply lowers the targets Magic Accuracy, making it more likely for the spell to be resisted. You don't "Evade" magic damage with "Evasion jobs like Thf, Dnc, Nin, and Mnk" like the other guy suggested. Based on his Utsusemi correction, it's obviously semantics, but the point stands.

That said, just because a job is hypothetically broken in 99 bad ways doesn't mean it "deserves" to be broken in one good way.

Easiest solution for pet jobs? Let pets share their master's Haste/Attack/Accuracy/DA/TA/etc buffs from Equipment, Food, Abilities, and Spells. Feasible at all? Who the hell knows, really.

Edit: @Glam, who cares how well any job can solo? 100% PDT is 100% PDT and is ridiculous. Evasion hard caps at 80% anyways, I don't know what sort of comparison you're trying to make with it. Bst could be nerfed down to 87.5%, still solo pretty much everything they solo now (the good Bsts at least), and I'd be perfectly happy personally.

Though, it does seem like we've entered an era of "Uncapped stats", given that so many 50% caps have been intentionally broken this update.

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

So its only "BS" when you had to wait right? You were crying about how unfair it is yet suddenly its ok for a job if they can do it faster. Beef up rage mode to ignore pdt add flee etc and add it to all abyssea NMs instead of singling out and nerfing one or two jobs.

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Again you just mixing up and make me say stuff from start that was not my point, you make me just add comment to turn them back again me, bright but annoying.

I never said SMN should get PDT-100%, i say SMN GOT NERFED WHY NOT BST?

I never said i rage because someone take 1h to kill nm, get over it, this happen often in abyssea (hello nin/dnc or dnc/nin or blm/rdm, or PLD)

What i SAID IS HOW SAD a job end to waste everyone time just because DEV did not fix that issue.

And yet all i hear is comment about how BST absolutly need this -100% PDT, witch is yet again another BS argument, same argument could be apply to many job in abyssea.

And again as i stated and ill will say it again, if is so correct to allow a BST to have -100% PDT then why not SMN? Who gonna care since they going to kill hell quick.

Hope you understand more my point, because no i am not saying give back SMN -100% PDT, nor i am saying i hate BST job, nor i am saying i hate wait in abyssea because i am a jerk and i rent the zone tonight and everyone have to leave when i am present.

Hope this time was more clear. -100% PDT = not right, end of story. (add all other frustration about it is optional, idk if you say the job is FAIL and need to use it, that is so subjective, all depend how you play the job my friend.)

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

why try harder? the point is simple, ANYONE can achieve a -100pdt set-up in about 35 hours of playtime, that would include you. It is not broken, it's something anyone can do with a small amount of time and effort.

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Wrong, that is not the point. The point is, it shouldn't be obtainable in the first place.

Can people please stop riding on the fact that the OP mentioned mob holding and get back to the actual issue? Name one reason why 100% PDT reduction is good other than "We wanna solo!" or "We suck without it!" please. Right now all it does is upset the game balance and makes absolutely no logical sense.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

why try harder? the point is simple, ANYONE can achieve a -100pdt set-up in about 35 hours of playtime, that would include you. It is not broken, it's something anyone can do with a small amount of time and effort.

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Oversimplifying which invites arguments that we have it to easy. You have to give up some stuff to achieve it. Losing room for atma that could have been DD based and/or gear that has to be specifically for it, like the mini expansion augment gear. And honestly going for a full 100% is in most cased not so hot, more efficient to go with some DD power and/or regen. Even at 100% You can't just afk and wait for a win like people seem to think. Several tp attacks ignore pdt even if we ignore other damage types for this argument like mercurial strike. And you know what? With ZERO pdt gear or atma I can solo Briareus (I won't becaus eI can't proc, but others have). Eva and regen and a couple pet food zeta. I've seen a nin/dnc solo it to. Frankly Utsusemi is more effective than a pdt setup if only because it blocks single target magic attacks.

This whole thread going on this long is absurd. Counter holding, not nerf a job. Mob rage was MADE for holding so lets buff that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ing-raged-mobs

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Again you just mixing up and make me say stuff from start that was not my point, you make me just add comment to turn them back again me, bright but annoying.

I never said SMN should get PDT-100%, i say SMN GOT NERFED WHY NOT BST?

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let be serious here, who care abotu SMN with -100% PDT when they HS for 3~5k dmg? No way smn would have hold anything.

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No, you are backpeddling and claiming nobody "gets you".

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Originally Posted by Ilax

I never said SMN should get PDT-100%, i say SMN GOT NERFED WHY NOT BST?

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A "nerf" is when they go out of their way to change something already in place, lowering it's effectiveness. SMN was never nerfed in this respect.

@GG: I know, I just like pointing out they my aquillo has magic eva. lol