Windurst region fix.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

abd the game is not newbie friendly as it once was.

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Actually no, its more so, you see the people who are to stubborn to make the choice of leveling fast via Abyssea/GoV fail to understand that. Where as most will also condemn those who think is good. They both allow new players to get themselves into the most populated part of the game in a matter of days, where as before it was a long grind to get to where most players had the most content and new content being made. In my eyes its like telling you there is a 100 mile bridge and it keeps being built outwards called FFXI, before, you had to walk all 100 miles and then some to catch up to everyone, now you can get someone to give you a car ride for a few bucks and you get caught up to everyone in just a few hours, then you can work with everyone else on the bridge together!

btw Raise the part you kinda fail to read is that part you wrote
" Quite simply, the changes are not needed, " << this pretty much does infact mean you find it pointless. If something is not needed it is pointless.

I feel this suggested is needed, I gave my input. Also this game was never that hard/ long to get lvls. Only ones who actually complained are the ppl who wrere rude, leeched, and noobs in general. (who are the apparent ones who took over the ffxi community... or at least the assumed of most forum posters) I restarted this game 70 times. And i got 16 of those 70 up to max in my play time of 7 years.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Also raist, since you seem to not read my post at all cept what you FEEL are inaccurate statements. You would be surprised to know that the quests in question NEVER needed assistence from anything. And there is something you forget, you need tabs inorder to put book sneak/invis. Did you ever thing or grasp that a person may not have tabs?

You are not grasping any concept then what wiki or the norm tells you. That is what I'm trying to get across to you. You shouldn't assume anything. Not everyone follows wiki/ the norm like a net gen zombie.

I personally perfer more free form play instead of going by the apparent ffxi bible. To really share an opinion about this though. You would have to physically experience it for yourself. You shouldn't comment on what you assume you see. I never had an issue leveling around windy before. Now i am. Its not really the difficaulty. It is on the fact that I'm running more then killing. Which for me gets dull fast. Mobs in the zones are too spread out.

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No, I read your posts...some of it is just hard to follow. And in general, I don't always go through line for line through them. Most of the time it's a stream of consciousness thing...as points come back in to mind while typing, I comment on them. Sometimes I have to go back and stich something in that I overlooked, or I go back and quote a post later and comment on it. To be honest, it's hard to keep it straight with your arguments sometimes because you'll hop all over across multiple posts.

And that quest could have required stealth tactics in the past as you were initially presenting it, as there were aggressive mobs that would aggro you--as I already stated it would have depended on the level at which you were chosing to do it as to whether you wanted to avoid aggro or fight your way through it.

And the comment about the tabs just further shows that you aren't getting some of the points that have been made. How many times has FoV/GoV been pointed out in this thread?. It's just hard to fathom that someone would turn down the free xp offered from the books, especially if the pages are the mobs you are going to fight anyways.....but, again, that comes down to personal choice.

Which is what a lot of this boils down to. In spite of all the evidence, testimonies that could probably be gathered here to show you a more efficient, less stressful, and more enjoyable way to do something.....you have a history of turning your nose up at it. But, that's another series of debates....but it does still apply here.

Typo I guess, I'm guessing you meant I'm not grasping any concept other than what the wiki or the norm has told me. Again, you are assuming a lot there. Guessing you haven't read my last post yet. In addition, I spent the vast majority of my time in the game solo, and when in parties was more duo up to 4-manning things more so than 6-man. This was not only pre-abyssea, but pre WotG as well. I was duoing WotG missions at 75 caps. We didn't follow cookie-cutter roles/strategies often....to this day I still get teased about my prized BLM Blackjack posession, and cursed for inspiring other BLM's to become whirling dervishes--but that scythe allowed us to setup chains sometimes that sped things up like farming and such, allowing us to get our wins faster. Always an unconventional group, but we found our own way of getting things done. Conversations frequently went along the lines of: Can we pull this off? IDK, but won't know till we try--who still has reraise/raise? Wanna try again?

I don't follow an FFXI bible....never claimed I did....to be honest, don't think there really is such a thing. If there is, I sure haven't read it. Hell, I was a melee SMN when I started bringing that up--even in parties. I was using Carby in Khazaam, tossing out the cures, and thwacking with my staff..sometimes even daggers--and inspite of the objections, we kept chains lgoing, and people survived because I made sure there was a WHM for main healing...I made it work for me and my party, some didn't like it, they left, and were promptly replaced and we moved on. I've almost always found my own way of doing things... but when someone showed me a a better way to do it, I generally took it unless I had specific reasons not too (like I leveled my jobs to 75 before going into Abyssea because I wanted to keep my skills up so I could actually hit things and avoid resists when I started--didn't want to be dead weight).

Sure, there are tried and true methods to do some things, and you can tweak them to kinda sort of do it your own way, or do it completely bassackwards in everyone's eyes if it still works, it works. But let's face it....some things just make perfect sense. For instance, if your first job for Maat is BLM, why would you do BLM Maat any other way? It's simple, it's fast....barring that random resist, screwy lag, or a misfire on the macroing----it's virtually an assured win if you follow the script for it, or at least the spirit of it. Sometimes it just really doesn't make much sense to kill yourself repeatedly when you can just do it the proven way, unless you are just a glutten for punishment. That's what's so perplexing, regardless of logical assertions/contradictions--you refuse to accept there may be a simple way to do what you are having trouble doing.

The last statements in this post are a bit confusing. What I've assumed to have seen? Say what? Either I have seen LS Mates re-roll and level or I haven't, we've sent people to camps that worked or didn't. Either I've gone out and skilled up, shared my experiences with others and they've followed the path with success, or not. It's not anything I've "assumed". As I stated a long time ago...we've been putting things in practice. Then there's this bit:
"I never had an issue leveling around windy before. Now i am. Its not really the difficaulty."
But....you spent time on difficulties you did have with some camps, so...not sure what is what with that now. If the mobs aren't too hard, but were appropriate level for you to xp off of.....why were they giving you trouble?
"It is on the fact that I'm running more then killing. Which for me gets dull fast. Mobs in the zones are too spread out"
Than you might need to form a new plan I guess? You've brought up the whole free form style of play, then why not put it in practice? Find a spot that doesn't require so much running around. There are lots of places you can go, if you would just stick to your guns with this individuality factor and try new things...which is what has been suggested you do but refuse to do, even though you've proclaimed it is how you prefer to play.

And....weren't you a level 21 WAR just the other day? Now your profile is showing level 1...and in Bastok. IDK...starting to wonder if it's not more an issue of lack of focus combined with an actual unwillingness to experiment that is getting in the way with you finding your way in the new FFXI. I just don't run into people in game having this much trouble finding their way these days...it just defies logic, unless it is something more specific to your approach somehow.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

btw Raise the part you kinda fail to read is that part you wrote
" Quite simply, the changes are not needed, " << this pretty much does infact mean you find it pointless. If something is not needed it is pointless.

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If you take it out of context, then I guess you could say that, but you can't slice and dice the complete thought. Even cutting it up like that, it doesn't mesh right. Not needed =/= pointless. Pointless implies it would make no difference towards acheiving the ultimate result, Not needed means it is not necessary to make the change in order to achieve the ultimate goal.

Put in context, with the whole statement ("Quite simply, the changes are not needed, and will drastically upset the structure of what the game has evolved into.") it has a deeper meaning. The discussion was about viable, reasonable alternative strategies for accomplishing the ultimate goals in question. The discussion was bringing forth ways to get things done even with this new obstical. After showing that it is not a permanent obstacle preventing progression, it is thus not needed to change it, especially in light of the point that it will upset the new structure that has evolved. Essentially, you are asking for a change so that one group of people can continue to do what they can already do, and in doing so, denying another group from doing what they are currently doing--when it can be basically left alone (as one poster pointed out, they could just make them non-aggressive) and both parties can continue to progress.

Therefore, it is not necessary for them to revert the zones to their previous states...as there are already remedies present, and if the threat is still too great, they can tweak it just a little to remove the threat without upsetting the current structure that is proving useful as inteneded when the change was implemented.

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as for the statement about "I never stated any reply here was a personal attack outside the one triss made.", you continued to put forth the notion that I have been harrassing you, which is clearly not the case.

Oh, and then there's this post, aimed directly at me:

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I'm not even trying to point out insult to cover my tracks you proving it with each post ur doing. Instead of coming in here skiming my posts, stoning me for my experiences see for urself. You are helping those players. I'm not getting help. I have tried these suggestions... they didn't work. But my suggestion still stands.

simply put... get over urself.. ur doing nothing but attacking a poster for their suggestion. Nothing more....

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(missed this point in this post earlier, but you assumed I was directly helping the new players, which was not the case...people ask where to go, we tell them. On some occasions, someone has teamed up and they made parties, but there is a lot of solo work going on...we try to encourage people to try things for themselves first to prevent full dependency on others)

ok raist I'm not gonna read every bit of text in ur post because you over complicate ur replies.
here is something I suggest.

1) do not skim posts
2) if you have a question or unsure of what is written ask befor commenting.

What this actually boils down to as you simply do not "get it" and you go out of ur way to try and discredit something that you are not grasping.

I can only assume you physically never leveled in windurst. So you do not have any say on what I am personally going through. A new player, nor a vet who is returning, shouldn't go out of their way just to level up in the lower levels. Traveling does take too much time out of what your trying to do. I fully explained why the current "options" are not all that fun or easy to really safely level up in. You just haven't experienced it.

What you assume you see, may not be what is actually going on. You cannot sit there and tell me with out having experienced it for yourself what "options" are viable. I have tried most, and come ~>

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to find that compared to before, leveling is that much more tedious SINCE the change. And zones have became unbalanced and redundent. High levels ALSO have options WAY MORE then lower levels. They do not NEED more. Plus they are getting the zones in the new exspansion.

This topic is something you need to actually experience to really comment on. You can't really say "oh you can just go do this, this, or this" with out having to physically done it.

If you wanna prove me wrong walk a mile in my shoes, if that isn't something you wish to do. Please stop posting, because it does feel you are attacking (not personally) but you feel you must/ have to be right.

Did you think that you may be wrong because you lack that experience?

He did mention that he took a subjob and leveled it through the area to see what you meant. I think there's skimming over areas coming from you too. Maybe SE should work on the monster placement again; but I for one love the new Zeruhn Mines and areas like the basement of Garliage Citadel. I regularly go there by myself or with friends to either skill; get a few merits without dealing with others or try for the skill up ring (in Zeruhn).

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ok raist I'm not gonna read every bit of text in ur post because you over complicate ur replies.
here is something I suggest.

1) do not skim posts
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No context to take this out of. You straight up tell someone that you don't read the detailed and thought out replies they give and then proceed to tell them not to skim posts.

If you expect someone to read your rambling and barely comperehensible walls of text (to give credit they have gotten better in the last few posts I've read) at least have the decency to accord them the same respect.

You people suck at making concise arguments.

God, some admin please lock this thread. I feel like I'm reading a Williams S. Burroughs novel.