99 Empyrean Trials.

God I've never had so much blank space from ignore lists....

Alright. "Having the gil" idiocy aside; What can be done to fix the Empy trials have been lost to the troll-bridges. Let's try a recap, shall we?

An adjustment to the amount of plates dropped: Either allow pouches to drop at least 15 and upwards of 25, or reduce the requirement to something manageable like 200 to 300. A combination of both would be helpful. If the Devs feel the need to keep the Balance Hammer in effect the cinder/dross can be adjusted back to 125, as long as the dross/cinder follows the same pouch possibility as the plates. Because let's face it, the supply won't last much longer with people getting what they want and moving on.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

I don't understand why relic/mythic quests sucking so bad means empy has to suck

thats some very antiquated thinking

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If anything, rather than try to make Empyrean more like Relic and Mythic, it should be the other way around. To me, Empyrean up till 90 was the system they got right. It's actually modern MMO content. It does take time and teamwork, and don't anyone say it doesn't, but it's not some life stealing/life altering experience. It's fair and rewarding.

Relic acquisition is an antiquated grindfest reminiscent of the worst of Evercrack. Mythics were billed as easier to obtain than Relics, but with the Alexandrite requirement became a joke no one could laugh at. The only thing Empys lack is rarity and prestige, but sadly that seems to be what's most important to SE and many fellow players. To many of us though that rarity and prestige is meaningless, but we're apparently not the ones who matter.

Rarity and prestige is not the problem everyone has, the problem they have is empyrean has become the everyone weapon. And a large portion of jobs have gained the stima of Empyrean or gimp. Period. SAM RNG WAR MNK DRK PLD NIN are all examples. What empyrean did was split the bar between players too far apart, In alot of cases empyrean double or triples the next best thing. (excluding relic/mythic) Whats more the Merit weaponskills ment to combat the that issue got a large nerf and why? Because all the empyrean players said it ruined the work they did on their empyrean. Is this sounding familiar. (relic) Now the game is split empyrean owners find things too easy and non empyrean are having trouble. To top it off players (even on things that don't require it) have begun using empyrean as a sort feature. Surely, if you value a job you would go get empyrean even if it means making a 3rd or 4th super weapon, right?

These weapons are not soloable by some or all jobs at some stage or another everyone WILL need help, unlike relic which given time is 100% soloable. Empyrean can't become the bar unless there is some balance (that's right) Either other non empyrean need to be only slightly weaker (damaging the value of empyrean), or empyrean can maintain its power over other weapons at the cost of rarity. Fact stands, In a world players expect someone who likes tanking with say PLD, MNK and NIN (this may even be their only 3 jobs) to have 4 different empyrean to count all of their jobs as usable something needs to be done. Fix merit weaponskills (for everyone not just SAM) and sure players can have the higher damaging empyrean at an easier rate. (Don't bother mentioning WoE versions those are just as much of a pain to get since WoE is a ghost town)

Just to point out you can't solo the fragment and attestation for relics and no one is soloing the 99 stage.

Come on se thorw the people a bone here and announce some refinements for heavy metal plates.

Are you sure you can't solo those? (disappointing news to me I thought id be able to at 99) That's for the first two, and I only ment to the 85 trial since that's when the destructive power comes, 90 at most since that's the common "end point". As long as you get the main idea.

If empys are so easy peasy why care if you don't have the means to upgrade em further. They are perfectly fine how they are at 90 anyways. Heck I was probably one of the first people to make a 95 empy, and I don't even give a shit about upgrading it to 99 atm. All they add is a few base dmg, I'm not gonna pay another 60m for that. I did mine to 95, hoping 99 would be some uber upgrades, but empy gets nothing but base dmg increase, fuck that. I would not even do it to 95 if I had the chance to go back in time and undo it. The only weapon really worth making 99 is the harp, since that actualy gives you a big bonus of one more song.

Look at my woe weapons, all sitting at 90, I don't care about buying up devious dice to upgrade em further. Spend 10m gils to add 3 more base dmg okay!

If they lower HMP amount required, everyone will start to sell them for 1-2m each. Same thing happened to riftdross/cinder. They were like 100k before, now they are 1m soon as they announced the reduced numbers.

Mythics are not impossible, you will just have to slowly farm it yourself, and hope the nyzul patch will bring alot more alex.

I find it bs they didn't lower the riftdross/cinder requirements. That stuff is pretty rare too, and it will be impossible to get once people stop farming the 2 mobs. Hopefully they will add drops to new tiers.

Relic trial is by far the easiest with the least amount of work. No one is gonna sell you umbrals, so saying it will cost as much as empy is laughable. 5 umbrals you will do with your linkshell, and they will be free. Maybe if you try and pay 18 people to help you kill ADL it will cost you gil.

I know this much though, I will finish 99 relic before I finish 99 empy.

You're wrong certain ls on Asura is selling umbrals at 30 mil each pretty sure others will merc them aswell once they get a few of there own relics done.

As long as SE makes adjustments to the drop rate of HMP in some way, I won't care to collect 1,500 HMP. Doing an LS event of voidwatch for 8 to 9 hours and only walking away with 1 HMP, if that, is redundant.

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Originally Posted by Zinato

Are you sure you can't solo those? (disappointing news to me I thought id be able to at 99) T

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Really REALLY depends on a lot of factors. Let's just say the average Joe/Jane will not walk into Dynamis and solo attest/animated stuff. Ever. If you are above average in gear and skill then don't be afraid to try to solo something. You do get to enter Dynamis once each day now and basically for free, after all. At bare minimum I can confirm that BST walks all over everything. With Quie though it might need help. I'm not sure how much of a factor haste was for my BST when I killed it. Bene is a bitch. Also THF will not solo and must duo with a mage at the very least.

With the update in 7 days, I pray, an announcement of HMP adjustments comes soon... Come on SE wtf, Let us know you increased the drop rate or they are more common in the new VW mobs. GIVE US SOMETHING! :c!