Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

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You live in a city situated on an island. If you want to drive off the island for whatever reason, theres only one bridge off the island. The bridge has one lane both ways. People complain about possibly expanding the bridge to have 3 lanes both ways, or to add a secondary bridge that leads to another part off the island. City says "no"...
Everyone is clearly upset, because they get stuck on this bridge for over an hour, but its the only way to get their cars out of the city. Because the bridge is being used, its a success?

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It's a success because although we all hate it and are angry about it we still all do it. I can't get any drops in massive amounts of runs, it makes me angry but I still do it..same for others. In that regard it's a success because it's the worst of a skinner box system which is very cheaply made but makes us invest mass amounts of time.

If a dev can make cheap content which is custom made to make you do it for a long long time but still get you to do it regular then they are happy, they don't care if it makes us angry as long as we do it. Salvage was a prime example. We are just back to old ways and we better get used to it, things ain't gonna get better.

They know how angry we are about this and they basically just said "screw you" so best to get used to it.

so let me get this straight instead of fixing anything they gonna nerf temps and help lazy people catch up?

Log Watch just gets more and more awesome

That is the thing though, What is to catch up? I personally wonder the reasoning for letting anyone do any VW and get the full benefit. (minus teleports with many of are same as OP/tele/recall/campaign warp/abyssea anyway) They get drops (at what we believe to be an equal rate, wouldn't it be hilarious though if the reason they say loot isn't an issue is its higher rates from being on that teir?) they get KI (atmacite/periapt) and they get exp/cruor (the new currency) If I were to make a bet id say that is more of an issue then lack of useful drops. Seeing as nearly EVERY VW run i do there has to be a few people taking the middle of nowhere back alleys to get to the rift. (this even happens on nation runs T1-4, do they just not want to get climb credit? and yes everyone always tells them where VW npcs are they just dont have warp access

Not 20 seconds are i hit submit, I thought perhaps that IS the answer. Force fights to have an augmented drop rate for those with the climb. Higher drop rates, more people doing climbs, and people have to do the fights they don't want to do for what they do want to do (IE timesink)

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Originally Posted by Runespider

It's a success because although we all hate it and are angry about it we still all do it. I can't get any drops in massive amounts of runs, it makes me angry but I still do it..same for others. In that regard it's a success because it's the worst of a skinner box system which is very cheaply made but makes us invest mass amounts of time.

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I'm stunned...ok, lets try this again.

You need a job, you're looking for work. You look, you look, and you look some more...and the only job you manage to get is voluntary work with with a 1/300 chance at getting upgraded to wage work. But hey, you got a job, success?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Thanks so much for all the feedback regarding Voidwatch.
I have a couple responses to some of the suggestions and opinions that have been stated. (Sorry it’s a bit long)


Drop rates of equipment for each chapter
There are no drop rate differences for equipment in chapter 1, 2, or 3. Each has the same amount of rarity and there are no differences between chapters.

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1) we dont care that the droprates are static, we care that the drop rates are horrid.
2) implement a method that increases your chance to obtain an item during your following runs if you destroy your rewards VS obtaining them. make it so the effect stacks, and is erased when you obtain a High quality item (armor weapon or pouch).

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Originally Posted by Camate

Bonuses for players who spawn the monster
It would be possible to look into this if other players who pay the costs received the same effects, for example, receiving the same benefits when using the maximum amount of cells. On the other hand, we are not thinking about offering special benefits just for spawning the monster. In extreme cases, only the player spawning the monster would consume Voidstones and continuous battles could take place which would eliminate the good point of Voidwatch where each member receives their own reward and would also develop long claim times.

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i think providing a bonus to everyone who has their VW quests done up to that point (having the ability to pop that NM) should just recieve a flat out bonus to exp and cuor (like +20%) this would be more agreeable imo

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Originally Posted by Camate

Cruor needed for atmacite upgrades
For the amount of cruor needed to upgrade atmacites, the idea was not to acquire these beforehand in Abyssea, but to upgrade atmacites while receiving cruor as rewards for Voidwatch. In order to save cruor, it’s possible to increase the amount gained by using cells or participate in battles without spending Voidstones just for cruor rewards.[/list]

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yea, getting what, 7000 cruor for not using a voidstone? yea that makes a whole lot of sense. thats totaly a fast way to build cuor. the curor costs on Atmacites is retarded. please lower them now that people have burned off their massive curor banks from abyssea spam. kthxbi.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Weaknesses and rewards
Since exploiting a monsters weakness is directly linked to the rewards, it seems like players are focusing on creating parties that can quickly defeat monsters whose weaknesses can be exploited easily. As we would like players to utilize weaknesses as an element of strategy, we would also like players to have fun on a larger scale, so we will be looking into making it so that the connection between exploiting weaknesses and the rewards received are not too strong.

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no, people dont build partys like this, they build parties in which having an emperyan or a relic is a requirement, as anyone who does not have time invested into one of these weapons is likely to be a massive detriment to the party, and incapable of participating effectively. instead of worrying about this bullcrap, how bout revamping the BLU procs like you said you were almost two updates ago. having to set 50-60 points of proc spells makes blu almost worthless, so were forced to only set 1-2 sets of proc spells so we can atleast retain some utility. reduce it to 1-2 proc spells per element.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Weakness revamps
In order to create battles that can be completed without relying on temporary items, we are planning to revamp weaknesses as well as adjust the distribution of temporary items.

Also, in regards to cases where the weakness is difficult or due to your setup you cannot exploit it even though you determined what it is, we are planning to perform appropriate adjustments. Though we have already received quite a bit of feedback on weakness, if there are any others you would like us to look into please submit your feedback.

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yes, no more white procs on jobs that arent in your party, i think a retarded rock would have had the foresight to implement this from day one.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Addition of option to destroy rewards
Currently, players need to receive all the rewards at once; however, since it is inconvenient when there is a rare item that you already possess and you are unable to receive the rewards, we will be making it possible to get rid of the item without obtaining it. We are planning to implement this during this week’s test server update.

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give the alliance leader the option to destroy the chest after 120 seconds and/or everyone has viewed their rewards.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Subsequent follow-ups
Depending on the route/monster (also depending on players), they are becoming split into popular/unpopular, so we will be continuing to find ways to make it so it will be easy for players that take on these routes later to gather party members.

Also for players that have already cleared these routes, there are already benefits for them to re-do them, such as being able to participate without spending Voidstones and receiving cruor/XP rewards; however, since we feel this isn’t enough, we will be looking into other benefits to participate in fights that have already been completed.[/list]Finally, we plan on discussing topics in regards the loot system in the future, so please continue submitting your feedback.

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in regards to loot: Please put in the option to transfer your chest to party spoils, this way we can stop having people get 2-3 tocis harnesses(just an example) while others go without for 50+ runs.

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You need a job, you're looking for work. You look, you look, and you look some more...and the only job you manage to get is voluntary work with with a 1/300 chance at getting upgraded to wage work. But hey, you got a job, success?

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From an empoyers pov of course, you will work for minimum wage and feel lucky that you got that job. The employer doesn't care if you're happy.

An event where they can make you do it even though it's horrible is a success to them. It's crap to us but we still do it anyway, WoE is a failure because it's horrible and nobody does it, VW is a success because it's horrible but a large number of us still do it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

[*]Weaknesses and rewards
Since exploiting a monsters weakness is directly linked to the rewards, it seems like players are focusing on creating parties that can quickly defeat monsters whose weaknesses can be exploited easily. As we would like players to utilize weaknesses as an element of strategy, we would also like players to have fun on a larger scale, so we will be looking into making it so that the connection between exploiting weaknesses and the rewards received are not too strong.

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The joke is on you this time, Development Bros. Tangibly decreasing things like "no chance", "nothing", and "no hope" will be a real challenge.

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Originally Posted by Camate

[*]Addition of option to destroy rewards
Currently, players need to receive all the rewards at once; however, since it is inconvenient when there is a rare item that you already possess and you are unable to receive the rewards, we will be making it possible to get rid of the item without obtaining it. We are planning to implement this during this week’s test server update.

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Perhaps "destroying nothing" is an important step to reaching the final stages of enlightenment and this may help people reincarnate to a higher plane. My very subtle mind looks forward to this addition.

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

The truth is that SE intentionally made VW this way (ridiculous low drop rate) to keep us playing the game w/o the need for them to add new content soon. They cant say that officially so they will keep "listening" a feedback and focus on everything else beside fair reward system.

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I really hate how true this statement is.

Could you imagine if SE was in charge of an army?

Soldier: "Help I've been shot! Get a Medic!"

SE: "We've listened to your input and have decided to send the medics to plant flowers on the battlefield."

SE: "Additionally we've seen the damage bullets do to our troops so we've replaced all your guns' ammunition with barbecue tongs and wood chips."

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Originally Posted by Runespider

From an empoyers pov of course, you will work for minimum wage and feel lucky that you got that job. The employer doesn't care if you're happy.

An event where they can make you do it even though it's horrible is a success to them. It's crap to us but we still do it anyway, WoE is a failure because it's horrible and nobody does it, VW is a success because it's horrible but a large number of us still do it.

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What I've got from your posts is that the base is being beaten in the crotch with a pipe yet they continue to do the event anyway because there are some drops worth chasing.

Question is... for how long? Obsession only goes so far and unlike kings you're never progressing in Voidwatch unless you get the drops. This is starting to look like VNMs/Yilbegan '09 XI where people started to burn off once it looked like the game was on the skids. How long will people stick around this time? Level 99 is here and it's a pile of crap coupled with backlogged updates due to a skeleton dev team - underwhelming to say the least.

Unless the Last Stand is released in March and Nyzul II manages to blow the load of the base, XI is in a bad spot and this time Abyssea isn't around to pique interest and bring life back to the streets of Port AFK.