SE, Please Delete Scarlet Delirium

Good lord...

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Originally Posted by Return1

Sorry to burst your bubble but you got a few things wrong.

You're counting the 7 hit and 5 hits from a 0tp standing point, but for the most part you only need 6 hits for the 7 hit and 4 for the 5 hit because you're getting to 100tp after WS, so it's 4 swings vs 6 swings, so Apocalypse WSes ~25% faster.

If you're only managing 1500 on Catastrophe it's time to rethink your gear. You're averages are way off. If we figured the 1.25 damage multiplier as an fTP boost, which is weaker than the straight 1.25 multiplier, Torcleaver is only ahead by ~34%, much less than your awful ~66% guess. On top of that, you need to consider Apoc has superior WSC mods, 20 base damage, and 3 fSTR on Caladbolg/Torcleaver. In the end, Apoc leads in WS Damage over time.

The ~20% ODD damage is somewhat offset by the ACC/ATK/STR/etc advantage that comes with Apocalypse/Catastrophe, and the Self SC ability of Apocalypse also serves to push it ahead on anything that can survive that long.

The DA/TA overspill doesn't skew the results as much as you think it does.

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Including WS, therefore including ws delay
Cala: 10.58
Apoc: 8.8

Derp Apoc loses out moreso in that situation because ws delay is 2 seconds.

Looks like I was wrong about Catastrophe Vs. Torcleaver though.

Edit: not saying it loses to Cala to TP to 100, but rather it's a less beneficial situation

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Originally Posted by Dirtyfinger

It's you, and the other cry baby DRK's management of how you dislike this job ability that's making me reply. If you were to have opened your eyes and read what I wrote then you would have listened to what I said, I'll bold it for you.

If you don't like how this new job ability is managed then why don't you post something constructive about how you feel it would be better treated, instead of saying the same stuff the previous crier said 'SE HATE DRK, THEY NEVER GIVE US ANYTHING, JUST DELETE IT'

And replace it with what?

That is the question I'm asking you.

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You must be smoking dope or something, the first post in the thread addressed the constructive criticism issue. We have offer tons of constructive criticism in the DARK KNIGHT FORUM, SE deosnt listen so we post it here where they can really see our displeasure there 100's of productive responses on how to improve this ability in the DARK KNIGHT FORUM, learn to read. I hate when people tell someone to read when they dont read themselves its the epitome of Hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Including WS, therefore including ws delay
Cala: 10.58
Apoc: 8.8

Derp Apoc loses out moreso in that situation because ws delay is 2 seconds.

Looks like I was wrong about Catastrophe Vs. Torcleaver though.

Edit: not saying it loses to Cala to TP to 100, but rather it's a less beneficial situation

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The second you aren't capped on ACC, Apoc pulls way ahead. (happens way more then anyone likes to admit) A typical Apoc build has 72 acc (with lots of room to add more) over a Cala TP build. You can also 6hit your Apoc and stack a great deal of DA/TA and use a sword strap. Add that to the Drain effect, and the fact that Cata can't be blinked. (goes through shadows) With the upcoming Damage increase fSTR will be much harder to cap which will again favor Apoc with the ability to suffle gear around and still keep haste capped.

I agree Apoc is a better weapon, it's just not the most raw power

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Originally Posted by Dirtyfinger

It's you, and the other cry baby DRK's management of how you dislike this job ability that's making me reply. If you were to have opened your eyes and read what I wrote then you would have listened to what I said, I'll bold it for you.

If you don't like how this new job ability is managed then why don't you post something constructive about how you feel it would be better treated, instead of saying the same stuff the previous crier said 'SE HATE DRK, THEY NEVER GIVE US ANYTHING, JUST DELETE IT'

And replace it with what?

That is the question I'm asking you.

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Nothing, looking at absolute shit in my JT and JA window irritates me.

yo ill trade you all 5 tiers of attack bonus for our 5 tiers of HP bonus.

PS drk get 20 JT's atm. and 6 JA's

Monk 22 JT 8 JA

War 17 JT 8 JA

*pretty close for all jobs eh*

Quality is all that matters guy.

Arcane Crest and Arcane Circle VS Retalliation and Berserk. Yeah, I'd take WAR's JAs.

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Originally Posted by Return1

Quality is all that matters guy.

Arcane Crest and Arcane Circle VS Retalliation and Berserk. Yeah, I'd take WAR's JAs.

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What, don't you spend all day beating on your eternal rivals, the arcanites, as SE intended us to do, clearly? D:

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Originally Posted by Return1

Quality is all that matters guy.

Arcane Crest and Arcane Circle VS Retalliation and Berserk. Yeah, I'd take WAR's JAs.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. Thrown up ideas that we have actually decent abilities. We say something about them being garbage and some other job comes in saying how we need to shut up and emo less.