Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

hypothetical he was talking about killing something level 5 how in the world does that pertain to anything needing to be soloed? i see his post made you a little less smart

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Please don't misquote me or I'll report you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!11111

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

Just like all opinion based things its good for me because i dont carry alot of gear and never really feel like building eccentric macros for said gear and again i still win what works for me may not work for you which i understand this game is to me a game if i cant do it myself i put up the bat signal to my LS they are never mad that i dont swap gear. oh and i put as much effort into punctuation as i do gear swapping :P

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Gear swapping being more efficient is not an opinion.

Choosing not to gear swap because you just don't want to is okay, but please don't try to make everything around this topic an opinion.

But the difference is someone that actually understands mechanics and uses gear swaps will A> kill faster than you B> be more efficient than you, therefore people that know how to gear and swap >you

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

havent come into things i cant kill really and i can dual box box it if i cant solo it

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Dual boxing is against the ToS because it requires the use of 3rd party tools which are bad. People like you are why there are so many bad players at 90, because you're so busy playing two characters that you can't take the time to swap gear like a good player.

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Dual boxing is against the ToS because it requires the use of 3rd party tools which are bad. People like you are why there are so many bad players at 90, because you're so busy playing two characters that you can't take the time to swap gear like a good player.

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dual boxing can also refer to using a pc and a console, 2 consoles, or 2 pcs.

Seriously who cares?

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Dual boxing is against the ToS because it requires the use of 3rd party tools which are bad. People like you are why there are so many bad players at 90, because you're so busy playing two characters that you can't take the time to swap gear like a good player.

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how is having 2 computers next to each other against ToS oh wait you assumed i was playing on one PC please just ask me if you dont know ive actually done up to 3 char at once

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

Just like all opinion based things its good for me because i dont carry alot of gear and never really feel like building eccentric macros for said gear and again i still win what works for me may not work for you which i understand this game is to me a game if i cant do it myself i put up the bat signal to my LS they are never mad that i dont swap gear. oh and i put as much effort into punctuation as i do gear swapping :P

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Again, is there anything noteworthy you've actually fought? Seal NMs don't count...

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Dual boxing is against the ToS because it requires the use of 3rd party tools which are bad. People like you are why there are so many bad players at 90, because you're so busy playing two characters that you can't take the time to swap gear like a good player.

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incorrect on the meaning there. i myself through that meant using a 3rd party program for awhile when actully it means using a pc while on Xbox360 or vis versa.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

incorrect on the meaning there. i myself through that meant using a 3rd party program for awhile when actully it means using a pc while on Xbox360 or vis versa.

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It could mean either or.
Legit or not, you can't prove what he's using.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

how is having 2 computers next to each other against ToS oh wait you assumed i was playing on one PC please just ask me if you dont know ive actually done up to 3 char at once

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I just assumed due to the poor grammar in your posts that you could only afford one computer, thus meaning you played two characters on one computer. Also, using three characters at once in abyssea means you're keeping people who are playing a sole character from their much needed exp they are leeching in abyssea. In abyssea. Lower the limit to level 1.

I do hope SE reads all post related to abyssea and makes a statement and change it or leave it. I believe that its not about adhering to the old ways. Its really lame that there are newer players or players with just 1-3 jobs at cap and they have a lot of others to lvl to sub and the search is riddled with players who would rather wait 8 hours on a chance to key abyssea more so than just leveling up normally. Giving the option to be rewarded to do nothing but marco in 1 command and move from time to time shouldn't be rewarded in a game or even in one. Which thats all key ppl do. Also there are players that have come back to FFXI at 75 cap and only had 1-2 jobs at 75 and left because they didn't want to devote their lives to the game. Now that its easier to level, its lame that you can't because there are a tank, healer, and whatever else at your pre-aby lvl but only want to be lazy pricks that in the /seacom states they want to be in aby only. Also to those who do in Sylph will wait for hours. I saw 5 people one day all state they only want aby with there job at below 60 looking to key. They waited for 8 hours or more because I logged out and did other stuff but I did ask them, before I left, if they even got an invite that day. 4 of them actually did wait 8 hours, the other got and invite but then got D2'd when they got there. He didnt tell me why. Also best response to the reason why one of the 5 waited for 8 hours was... "idk why, just did."

Now with the exp boost, I think, its even with exp earned per hour if this was the first two abyssea zones as if you were in old worlds. If there isn't the level cap increase just for abyssea enterance, there should at least be a penalty for people under a certain level for dominion ops. Like if your below lvl 65, you can't get dominion ops. I say thats balanced.

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

It could mean either or.
Legit or not, you can't prove what he's using.

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good point...>.<

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Originally Posted by Krystal

incorrect on the meaning there. i myself through that meant using a 3rd party program for awhile when actully it means using a pc while on Xbox360 or vis versa.

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Don't quote me or I'll ignore you.

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Originally Posted by Ryland

I just assumed due to the poor grammar in your posts that you could only afford one computer, thus meaning you played two characters on one computer. Also, using three characters at once in abyssea means you're keeping people who are playing a sole character from their much needed exp they are leeching in abyssea. In abyssea. Lower the limit to level 1.

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i the quote that you quoted me on highlight where i mentioned abyssea attemtped to spell abyssea or where u can rearrange letters to even make abyssea been going back and forth solong i forgot what this original post is even about but who cares its a game i have fun my way and you have fun your way

I think everything that can be said has been said.
Most likely anything said from now own will be repeated garbage or something completely frivolous.

including what I just said or well pretty much anything past page 1.

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Originally Posted by Hyperon

I do hope SE reads all post related to abyssea and makes a statement and change it or leave it. I believe that its not about adhering to the old ways. Its really lame that there are newer players or players with just 1-3 jobs at cap and they have a lot of others to lvl to sub and the search is riddled with players who would rather wait 8 hours on a chance to key abyssea more so than just leveling up normally. Giving the option to be rewarded to do nothing but marco in 1 command and move from time to time shouldn't be rewarded in a game or even in one. Which thats all key ppl do. Also there are players that have come back to FFXI at 75 cap and only had 1-2 jobs at 75 and left because they didn't want to devote their lives to the game. Now that its easier to level, its lame that you can't because there are a tank, healer, and whatever else at your pre-aby lvl but only want to be lazy pricks that in the /seacom states they want to be in aby only. Also to those who do in Sylph will wait for hours. I saw 5 people one day all state they only want aby with there job at below 60 looking to key. They waited for 8 hours or more because I logged out and did other stuff but I did ask them, before I left, if they even got an invite that day. 4 of them actually did wait 8 hours, the other got and invite but then got D2'd when they got there. He didnt tell me why. Also best response to the reason why one of the 5 waited for 8 hours was... "idk why, just did."

Now with the exp boost, I think, its even with exp earned per hour if this was the first two abyssea zones as if you were in old worlds. If there isn't the level cap increase just for abyssea enterance, there should at least be a penalty for people under a certain level for dominion ops. Like if your below lvl 65, you can't get dominion ops. I say thats balanced.

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oh wow...best debating idea i heard! sounds like a winner to me! instead of raising the cap just incur a heavy exp penalty on those under 70 like lets say a 85% exp penalty...that works. they still get exp..but not nearly as much if they were above 70... so we can either do that or just do a level cap increase...see i can bend a little..:)

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

i the quote that you quoted me on highlight where i mentioned abyssea attemtped to spell abyssea or where u can rearrange letters to even make abyssea been going back and forth solong i forgot what this original post is even about but who cares its a game i have fun my way and you have fun your way

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...but then what are you soloing? Pre-75 cap mobs? There's little wonder you don't have a hard time when soloing things.

Haste Caps at 25%

off topic?

i wouldnt be the first in this thread

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Originally Posted by Krystal

oh wow...best debating idea i heard! sounds like a winner to me! instead of raising the cap just incur a heavy exp penalty on those under 70 like lets say a 85% exp penalty...that works. they still get exp..but not nearly as much if they were above 70... so we can either do that or just do a level cap increase...see i can bend a little..:)

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There already is an exp penalty. I don't really know why people seem to forget that.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

oh wow...best debating idea i heard! sounds like a winner to me! instead of raising the cap just incur a heavy exp penalty on those under 70 like lets say a 85% exp penalty...that works. they still get exp..but not nearly as much if they were above 70... so we can either do that or just do a level cap increase...see i can bend a little..:)

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I'm guessing you haven't done an abyssea burn before.

You already start out with a exp penalty at that low of a level.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

...but then what are you soloing? Pre-75 cap mobs? There's little wonder you don't have a hard time when soloing things.

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theres still high level mobs outside abyssea sky gods and all and they aint pushovers unless you are gonna sya due to your gear swaps you soloed kirin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

There already is an exp penalty. I don't really know why people seem to forget that.

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not nearly high enough of one. if your below a certain level you still get old school exp..and to some leachers"that fine and dandy" when they get that amount of exp at the rate people get it in those areas. incurring a higher exp penalty with make them think twice before going in an leaching instead of seeking for a normal party.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

not nearly high enough of one. if your below a certain level you still get old school exp..and to some leachers"that fine and dandy" when they get that amount of exp at the rate people get it in those areas. incurring a higher exp penalty with make them think twice before going in an leaching instead of seeking for a normal party.

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If your lvl30 and just enter, you start out with 0exp per kill...

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Originally Posted by Krystal

not nearly high enough of one. if your below a certain level you still get old school exp..and to some leachers"that fine and dandy" when they get that amount of exp at the rate people get it in those areas. incurring a higher exp penalty with make them think twice before going in an leaching instead of seeking for a normal party.

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A 66% Exp penalty (30 / 90) isn't high enough? Ok.

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

I'm guessing you haven't done an abyssea burn before.

You already start out with a exp penalty at that low of a level.

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see my reply to Greatguardian

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Originally Posted by Krystal

oh wow...best debating idea i heard! sounds like a winner to me! instead of raising the cap just incur a heavy exp penalty on those under 70 like lets say a 85% exp penalty...that works. they still get exp..but not nearly as much if they were above 70... so we can either do that or just do a level cap increase...see i can bend a little..:)

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Yeah let's pull arbitrary numbers out of our ass and throw them around as great ideas! Yeah! How about we ban 93% of the players who don't use gear swaps, and leave the last 7% for lulz! Yeah!

oh and leave the level cap where it is 30 is fine

Krystal, who is your character and how many jobs do you have levelled? I'm genuinely curious at this point.

Its so easy to solo/low man exp, why are people so adamant about getting full pts together again?

Personally, I've never understood why people just sit around Jueno or Whitegate with a flag up all day, then complain about not being able to get a party.

If your motivation is to get XP...why are you sitting on your duff, waiting for someone to do the work for you?

Either A) make your own party, or B) um... go kill stuff will your flag is up.

I managed to solo entire levels while lfp many times over. I hardly even partied at all on BRD and WHM from 45 to 51--I did FOV and campaign most the way (gotta love having /BST to exploit). Then I soloed or low-manned with LS mates with WHM from 51 to 75, simply because I didn't want to sit around waiting for a full group to form up.

Really people, don't gripe about your wasted time sitting around waiting for a party. You can easily solo upwards of 1/8 your current level per hour now at any given point in time with FOV now. In sky, at 80+, I was getting upwards of 3k a page. That's over 3k for 11 mobs. Easy xp. If you don't want to do that, you can do Bastion. My personal Best on DRK on it's way to 85 was 13k in one wave. That's 13k in under 5 minutes.

Seriously, if you want experience points, get off your butts and just DO EET!!!

Raist

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Originally Posted by Nepharite

If your lvl30 and just enter, you start out with 0exp per kill...

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It's not low enough! It should be -200exp, then people would think twice about leeching instead of getting an outside party!!

I'm joking, just in case the Krystal-esques didn't realise that.

to get this back on track some..... my argument is based off the thinking that getting to max level from leeching breeds bad players, people who do not understand the job well, prove me wrong on this and I will be glad to drop my argument, and even try this "leeching" myself. (videos, pics, something) Hell for all I know, my stubbornness on this topic could be from me not playing for a year. (just started about a week ago)

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

A 66% Exp penalty (30 / 90) isn't high enough? Ok.

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no.....it's not. friend of mine on alex leached at 35 and told me she was getting 250 exp a kill after some time. while this seems small take in account the rate of kills...that's enough for most lazy asses to want to leach exp. drop that to below 100exp per kill and they will think twice.

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Originally Posted by Ryland

Yeah let's pull arbitrary numbers out of our ass and throw them around as great ideas! Yeah! How about we ban 93% of the players who don't use gear swaps, and leave the last 7% for lulz! Yeah!

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I wouldn't have a problem with that.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

oh and cleave the level cap down to 1 is fine

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I agree completely.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

It's not low enough! It should be -200exp, then people would think twice about leeching instead of getting an outside party!!

I'm joking, just in case the Krystal-esques didn't realise that.

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so funny i forgot to laugh......>.>; /burntrollpost

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

to get this back on track some..... my argument is based off the thinking that getting to max level from leeching breeds bad players, people who do not understand the job well, prove me wrong on this and I will be glad to drop my argument, and even try this "leeching" myself. (videos, pics, something)

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Bad players will be bad players no matter how they level. They want to just get by.
Good players always strive to improve themselves. They want to be good.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Krystal, who is your character and how many jobs do you have levelled? I'm genuinely curious at this point.

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http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Alexander/Pikachuninetail

Confirmed WHM and SCH 90 at the least.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

no.....it's not. friend of mine on alex leached at 35 and told me she was getting 250 exp a kill after some time. while this seems small take in account the rate of kills...that's enough for most lazy asses to want to leach exp. drop that to below 100exp per kill and they will think twice.

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You do start with a huge exp penalty, but if your pt is good enough, you can dig yourself out of the exp penalty and reach the normal cap on exp.