Classic server, what's the argument against it now?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Your branding something "rubbish" doesn't make it somehow false.

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..except when it is false, the poster i was responding to came down on someone for having "no first hand experience of private servers" yet has clearly demonstrated she doesn't either and has no clue about their current state and what they're capable of!

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Originally Posted by madmartin

..except when it is false, the poster i was responding to came down on someone for having "no first hand experience of private servers" yet has clearly demonstrated she doesn't either and has no clue about their current state and what they're capable of!

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private server !=live game. The private servers aren't 100% functional, and can't be used as a basis of comparison. It would require development time. They can't just wave a magic wand and say "Bam. classic server!"

The private servers were the product of years of lot of hard work by those involved in the project(s). They didn't simply happen overnight, and they still aren't 100% up to par with gameplay functionality. Because of this, the argument "illicit third party users made private servers, therefore SE can make a classic server" is fallacious.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The same is true of almost everyone, so why are you name dropping me? If people like a post, they generally click the "Like" button and that's it. Because that's what it's for. There is no dislike button, so if you dislike something the only way is to say so in the thread. When people agree, there isn't a lot of discussion, because well, nobody needs to be convinced of anything, everyone's on the same page agreeing, so what is there to talk about?

I have liked and supported many ideas and suggestions over the years- Ordinarily this means a simple "I support this and think it's a great idea' and that's it, or simply liking the post and moving on. Only noticing the disagreements I make does not make that less true. I'm getting really sick of being picked on just because I post a lot.

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Apologies, that was said in my mind in a jokingly manner.

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Originally Posted by Idleness

Why blame? This game stands as one of the most successful MMOs of all time. Very few of its contemporaries are still running, those that are have largely gone F2P/P2W. It's certainly the most profitable FF ever made.

It's been 13 years, that's incredible. But at a certain point we will all have to let it go, gracefully. As a side note, a lot of older MMOs enjoy a certain amount of activity on, shall we say, less then entirely authorised servers. SWG pre-CU is still going, I believe.

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Not to focus on the semantics of it, but putting blame doesn't mean it wasn't successful. When something ends, surely there's a cause or reason for it, hence the blame.

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Originally Posted by Tidis

If there's enough of you who want to do 75 content at level 75 you realise you can right? Whether you have to start new characters or delevel your old ones, you can hit 75 and change to limit mode, that way you'll never level up past 75. Sure some content has been changed, you won't be able to do old school dynamis but Limbus, Sea, Sky, Einherjar are all the same.

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I agree you definitely can to some extent, but.....we all know it's just not remotely the same. Maybe they should have just left the cap alone at 75 since the game was balanced and just keep adding more and more gear. Making it 99 just blew all the old stuff away.


Adding: Wonder if they could have just raised the level of end game battles like HNMs (things that drop items of worth) - and change or enhance the items that they drop. Like make Fafnir a higher Ilvl and drop an HQ ridill - more DMG/stats

That I think would make the old content worth doing again. There's still more old content than new content.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

private server !=live game. The private servers aren't 100% functional, and can't be used as a basis of comparison. It would require development time. They can't just wave a magic wand and say "Bam. classic server!"

The private servers were the product of years of lot of hard work by those involved in the project(s). They didn't simply happen overnight, and they still aren't 100% up to par with gameplay functionality. Because of this, the argument "illicit third party users made private servers, therefore SE can make a classic server" is fallacious.

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i wasn't even trying to make that argument! Was merely calling someone out on their blatant misinformation and coming down on someone who clearly knows more!

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I agree you definitely can to some extent, but.....we all know it's just not remotely the same.

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The only reason it's not the same is because you've done it a million times before. Nostalgia is essentially discovering the same thing isn't as fun as it used to be. Even if the level cap was 75 all these years, the same thing would be happening.

I don't see how killing things at level 75 with level 75 gear (or level synced higher gear, which is inferior) is different from killing things at level 75 with 75 gear.

In other words, if it's "just not the same" the way things are currently, it would be "just not the same" even if the cap was 75 now.

This is what we call the "rose colored glasses" effect. The grass is always greener on the other side, insert your favorite adage here.

honestly what we really should ask SE to give us is just a 'Dislike' or 'down vote' buttons for the official forum.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

honestly what we really should ask SE to give us is just a 'Dislike' or 'down vote' buttons for the official forum.

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We all know just how well that would go over >.>

There's a reason why this forum, facebook, twitter, etc. all only have "like" buttons and not "dislike" buttons.

Driving around in 1987 with a 1987 Iroc Z was cool and fun. Driving around in 2015 with a 1987 Iroc Z kind of loses it's coolness and satisfaction when there's much newer and nicer options available. If there's no other options available then some of the cool factor remains. But this is an MMO, we're not just playing in our own little world. People do like to run around showing off their items or achievements they worked for when you play the game with other people that have their own opinions. Dinging 75 held some amount of appeal, dinging 99 - well who cares. If it was a 1 player game then yes, who cares.

Technically it's an opinion, but I'd have to think that most people would agree that purposely downgrading is not as fun or satisfying as playing with the best stuff at the time.