A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Also, this is a public forum; I do not agree with some of the things Terri said, but he/she has a right to post on these forums, regardless if you agree with the remarks (As long as they are not against any rules).

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I never said that Terri didn't have the right to post in this forum, I simply asked for her to take her biased opinions elsewhere. He or she has the right to say no if he or she pleases.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Edit: You come off as if your opinion is the only one that matters and if someone states anything different; they need to get out of the forums or give it a rest. I have seen 15 plus pages of the same discussion, because this is a pet buffing thread.

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My opinions are just opinions. Nothing more. Anyone who reads what I have to say can decide for themselves if they agree with them or not, but I'm not holding a knife to anyone's throat and saying that my opinions are absolute. I respect everyone's opinion here, and I'm willing to reconsider my own if the person is convincing enough, but if people have the right to make half thought remarks that are clearly bias and made out to irritate everyone rather than give constructive input, then I also have the right to give my opinion, although in may be a bit blunt. Here is a clear example of why I do what I do:

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Sure, lets obliterate another thing that makes FFXI unique from other MMOs. God, you guys never learn do you? It's players like you people that got abby introduced which nearly killed the game. If not for SE realizing this and releasing a new expansion that actually complemented abby's "easy mode" leveling with challenging end game content, FFXI would be deader than a doornail by now.

You guys mistake "ease of travel" and the other updates which have made things mildly easier for casual players for SE deciding to "easy mode" FFXI. Wake up and smell the coffee burning people! You want easy mode gaming? Go play FFXIV! You want a challenging gaming experience? Play FFXI!

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I mean come on. Krystal is clearly insulting everyone by saying that we're the reason why the game is the way it is. People like this start the cat fight first, so I should have the right to return fire by calling him or her a dumb-ass.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

No, I believe that pet jobs are fine the way they are. I solo as a pup all the time and I'm happy with that. If I want to party, I'll grab a non-pet job!

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Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Do you REALLY THINK SE would just out right give out a serious buff like that without an equally serious debuff? Pet jobs would surely lose their soloing ability but on the other end of the spectium

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How so? They would make Automatons impossible to cure? Force you to melee mobs while your pet fights? Explain how exactly you think they'd nerf these jobs if they let us have songs/rolls from the player transposed onto the pet.

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having a pet job in your party that you could buff said pet to be as powerful as lets say the pld or war would make battles delves and other types of battles "easy mode" due to parties essentially getting an extra party member dealing out as much dps as a nin or mnk. It would unbalance every battle they have out.

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Who is asking for pets to be as strong as other DD jobs by themselves? The total power of a fully geared BST should be on par with the total power of a fully geared MNK, DRK, SAM, WAR, so on, not miles behind even when you combine the DMG of the master & pet. Even if pets + masters were = to DDs it would still be somewhat unbalanced because a master has to use JAs to keep the pet up as well as the fact that if their pet dies it can mean the difference between being a productive party member and being a worthless sack sitting in party.

Saying allowing pets to get pt buffs would make them as strong as every other DD is like implying that pets normally have dps anywhere near that of normal DDs without external buffs which is so far beyond true it's not even funny. Just in tp gear even my pld has more 30-40 more base stats (obviously more in some areas) and like a good 300-400 more acc/att than any ilvl 119 jug. Add on the fact that is with serious amounts of dt since it's a tanking set and more gear haste than your pet would have if you are meleeing next to it and actually have job abilities to use and not having to wait on timers for wsing and having ws that are way higher than what pets will pull off and being able to maccro stuff in for situations etc etc. And that doesn't even get into the fact that bst as nice as it is now is still basically a really gimp 1hd axe war without any of the jas

And the reason why SE wouldn't have to hand out a gimp for this is because the current status already is gimped. High level content has pretty much always been designed around not only having high base stats but decent amounts also from external buffs. But designing content like this AND not allowing pets to get buffs it's basically like sayings we only want pets to do easy stuff. The fact is pets have floor acc and horrible pdif currently against high level content. I mean like I said melees are going to have litterally hundreds of more acc/att than pets just because of gearing and in some higher level content and newly upgrade mobs in the gates even the best of melees will often need madigral and sushi. So yeah going from floor hit rate to what would probably still be 40-50% against harder targets isn't overpowered. Heck even if you fully transferred pt buffs to pets and gave them the few cor pet rolls they would still not be as good as a fully buffed DD

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Originally Posted by Jinzha

I never said that Terri didn't have the right to post in this forum, I simply asked for her to take her biased opinions elsewhere. He or she has the right to say no if he or she pleases.



My opinions are just opinions. Nothing more. Anyone who reads what I have to say can decide for themselves if they agree with them or not, but I'm not holding a knife to anyone's throat and saying that my opinions are absolute. I respect everyone's opinion here, and I'm willing to reconsider my own if the person is convincing enough, but if people have the right to make half thought remarks that are clearly bias and made out to irritate everyone rather than give constructive input, then I also have the right to give my opinion, although in may be a bit blunt. Here is a clear example of why I do what I do:



I mean come on. Krystal is clearly insulting everyone by saying that we're the reason why the game is the way it is. People like this start the cat fight first, so I should have the right to return fire by calling him or her a dumb-ass.



Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

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If you want to flame, then flame on, lol. You two can argue til next week.

And actually, Terri was not even responding to you, it was directed at Cammiie, but you flamed Terri because she started the fight? How? was responding to someone else with her previous comment.

Also, you take these comments too personally; this is not a cat fight, but a bst suggestion thread.

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Originally Posted by dasva

Saying allowing pets to get pt buffs would make them as strong as every other DD is like implying that pets normally have dps anywhere near that of normal DDs without external buffs which is so far beyond true it's not even funny. Just in tp gear even my pld has more 30-40 more base stats (obviously more in some areas) and like a good 300-400 more acc/att than any ilvl 119 jug. Add on the fact that is with serious amounts of dt since it's a tanking set and more gear haste than your pet would have if you are meleeing next to it and actually have job abilities to use and not having to wait on timers for wsing and having ws that are way higher than what pets will pull off and being able to maccro stuff in for situations etc etc. And that doesn't even get into the fact that bst as nice as it is now is still basically a really gimp 1hd axe war without any of the jas

And the reason why SE wouldn't have to hand out a gimp for this is because the current status already is gimped. High level content has pretty much always been designed around not only having high base stats but decent amounts also from external buffs. But designing content like this AND not allowing pets to get buffs it's basically like sayings we only want pets to do easy stuff. The fact is pets have floor acc and horrible pdif currently against high level content. I mean like I said melees are going to have litterally hundreds of more acc/att than pets just because of gearing and in some higher level content and newly upgrade mobs in the gates even the best of melees will often need madigral and sushi. So yeah going from floor hit rate to what would probably still be 40-50% against harder targets isn't overpowered. Heck even if you fully transferred pt buffs to pets and gave them the few cor pet rolls they would still not be as good as a fully buffed DD

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I agree with all of this.

imo, it will level the playing field, depending on the pet you use. A bst needs a strong jug, because they do not have any power boosting JAs besides killer instinct; thus a weak jug hinders our total damage output. This will only be overpowered if they gave us bloodrage, DA merits, berserk, warcry, restraint and a bigger axe if you get my drift. "Wink"

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Originally Posted by Krystal

Do you REALLY THINK SE would just out right give out a serious buff like that without an equally serious debuff? Pet jobs would surely lose their soloing ability but on the other end of the spectium, having a pet job in your party that you could buff said pet to be as powerful as lets say the pld or war would make battles delves and other types of battles "easy mode" due to parties essentially getting an extra party member dealing out as much dps as a nin or mnk. It would unbalance every battle they have out.

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When pets can gear themselves, gear swap, use JAs like Focus/Aggressor/Berserk the same way players do, use actual weapon skill equivalents, gain a sub job, and adapt to situations then parties will have gained an extra party member.

As for a pet becoming the DPS equivalent of a NIN or MNK? I'd like to see you produce some numbers to back that up, because I see it as impossible. Other than the large HP pool of BST pets and some especially weak mandragora and cactuar pets that are essentially unusable, what pet out there even behaves like a NIN or a MNK? Do you even understand why MNKs are so powerful? And these days I don't even see NINs when I do endgame.

All this bulllheadness against buffing bst is leftover crap from 75 days when bst could solo a few NMs that DDs couldn't but they were also always at risk of some tool stealing the mob at low HP after the bst whittled it down and was swapping to a new pet or a group of them could kill a NM that would take 18 dregs or a decent party of 6(well 5 decent 75s and the one guy that needed a Ohat). Also I wouldn't call doing it WRONG being unique it's just doing it wrong and other MMOs clearly understand balance far better then SE could ever.

Not to mention in high buff situations, even IF they applied to pets, there's a major thing holding back pet jobs from becoming overpowered. even if pets had capped haste and acc along with those other buffs.

that's job ability delay.

it gets even worse in high buff situations because each JA you perform is a couple seconds lost in dps. for jobs like pup, especially, where you're issuing at least 3 maneuvers a minute, on top of the occasional repair, role reversal, or ventriloquy, and maybe an occasional deploy or retrieve, it adds up to a massive amount of dps loss. dps loss that has to be made up somehow. in the 75 cap days this was made up by the puppet actually having good accuracy and damage, with maneuvers enhancing this. the loss of the masters damage was made up for somewhat by the increase in the pets damage. even so, in high buff situations a pup couldn't hold a candle to other melee simply because the automaton couldn't receive those buffs. sure they did good, but it was common to be 2-7% DPS below the other, more "ideal" DPS in that case, assuming both were geared to the teeth.

considering bst has to use JAs to make their pets use tp moves, plus reward and any other JAs they need to use, they suffer the same issue. smns are a bit better off since their avatars magic moves can still pack a punch, even if a weakened on on the hardest content, and they have support abilities as well. they still suffer from the same JA delay, however, and lack of pet buffs, and are such viewed more as support jobs instead of hybrid support/DD. ability for the masters pets to apply to pets as well would go a long way to helping their job being seen in a more favorable light, and maybe make their physical BPs relevant again.

I agree with Raven.
It's pure bullheadedness to not want more people to be able to participate in content on any job and to not want more job balance. (and this includes RDMs, NINs, BLUs, THFs, DNCs, RUNs as well, I'm sure plenty of them are sitting around bored wanting to play but can't)
No one is asking for nerfs. (well, maybe we'd like to see MNK taken down a notch, but still ...) No one is asking for easy-mode. We are asking to be able to play the game we pay a subscription for. Do you really enjoy spending 3 hours shouting to fill a party? How many people have complained that they want to be able to log on and play, and don't have time to wait for that stun SCH or whatever? What if more jobs could contribute to a win?
Either the princess jobs are afraid of being de-throned (and I don't know why that would matter), or some fool thinks this is suddenly going to ruin their Dynamis farming. I can't think of the last time I've seen more than one person in Dynamis, but I guess Valefor server during NA daytime/EU primetime is not a good example.
Those that say "start your own party" are full of sh*t. If I dared start a party as PUP, the first thing people are going to say is "do you have any other jobs?" Insert any other non-popular job in that sentence and it will be the same scenario.
All we're asking for is a chance to contribute to party/alliance content, i.e. endgame.
I can't believe there are pet players that actually enjoy that being a solo-only thing. But hey, if you have other party-appropriate jobs you enjoy then more power to you.
Why would SE give us things like Divinator and Seriphcaller etc. just to go solo reives or Dynamis? We don't need overpowered stuff for that. Yet even the highest-level pet items fail in endgame content.
Hell, if some vocal minority is so deadset against buffs, then maybe SE should just extend the time limit of battlefields a little bit, so that weaker jobs can be included and still whittle away at the enemy in time for a clear. But really, giving our pets a little more acc and def/survivability is not going to suddenly makes us overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Mitruya

I agree with Raven.
It's pure bullheadedness to not want more people to be able to participate in content on any job and to not want more job balance. (and this includes RDMs, NINs, BLUs, THFs, DNCs, RUNs as well, I'm sure plenty of them are sitting around bored wanting to play but can't)
No one is asking for nerfs. (well, maybe we'd like to see MNK taken down a notch, but still ...) No one is asking for easy-mode. We are asking to be able to play the game we pay a subscription for. Do you really enjoy spending 3 hours shouting to fill a party? How many people have complained that they want to be able to log on and play, and don't have time to wait for that stun SCH or whatever? What if more jobs could contribute to a win?
Either the princess jobs are afraid of being de-throned (and I don't know why that would matter), or some fool thinks this is suddenly going to ruin their Dynamis farming. I can't think of the last time I've seen more than one person in Dynamis, but I guess Valefor server during NA daytime/EU primetime is not a good example.
Those that say "start your own party" are full of sh*t. If I dared start a party as PUP, the first thing people are going to say is "do you have any other jobs?" Insert any other non-popular job in that sentence and it will be the same scenario.
All we're asking for is a chance to contribute to party/alliance content, i.e. endgame.
I can't believe there are pet players that actually enjoy that being a solo-only thing. But hey, if you have other party-appropriate jobs you enjoy then more power to you.
Why would SE give us things like Divinator and Seriphcaller etc. just to go solo reives or Dynamis? We don't need overpowered stuff for that. Yet even the highest-level pet items fail in endgame content.
Hell, if some vocal minority is so deadset against buffs, then maybe SE should just extend the time limit of battlefields a little bit, so that weaker jobs can be included and still whittle away at the enemy in time for a clear. But really, giving our pets a little more acc and def/survivability is not going to suddenly makes us overpowered.

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Will not get us invites neither.