[dev1049] New weapon skills

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

I do hope the Hume one will be better than Blade: Hi.
Never liked that one; it's just awkward. :[

Wish they changed that while at it!

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You mean the animation or the stats?
Blade: Hi is just Blade: Ten with different special effect (the fire thingy instead of the Tornado one)

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Yeah, I mean just the animation, though I find it both hilarious and saddening how I can hit 0-40~ with Hi (talk about Lo).

Hmmm, does Ten have the end-half of it as well?
Never thought of that, really. Gotta get on Ninja once I'm done with what I'm doing now. :V


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And so it is. Guess I never just paid enough attention to them, and figured they had been altered at least a bit, but nay... Oh well.

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Originally Posted by brayen

I really dislike the way they did these WS. The fact that you are stuck unlocking only 3 or if you are to unlock more you rightfully gimp them all.

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On the contrary, i understand it can be frustrating, but i like the merit system, and the way it applies to new ws, you have to make choices, you can't be the "best" in every job.

Can you change the language of your client, or does it auto-detects the settings on your Square-Enix account?

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

That's not true, you can unlock them all and have a free upgrade to spend on one of them.
What you can't do is get them all to max level, which is something I don't like either but I guess we'll learn to accept.

Really do hope they'll increase the category limit from 15 to something higher though, 20 or 25 for example.

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That is what i mean. The fact remains you can only be on one weapon at a time so this just seems like forcing the players to limit themselves on how many jobs they will max out or gimp their weaponskill choice by not being able to max out the upgrade. Previously this sort of stuff was less of a problem as general merits were all very minimal but now we are potentially looking at 4 additional merits that will straight out boost your potential straight out. And the high cost makes it impractical to be changing your choice before departing from a home nation <something a few friends do with combat merits>. Knowing the general population i am sure i am not the only one who has more jobs then 3. going further then 3 will mean weaker performance.

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"On the contrary, i understand it can be frustrating, but i like the merit system, and the way it applies to new ws, you have to make choices, you can't be the "best" in every job. "

why should we be limited? since day one this game applied the whole play "any job you wish to play just you have to level it"... unlike most games out there where you need to lvl a whole new character just to play the class. like i said before, can only use 1 weapon at a time so why make the barrier for entry to maximizing the job? by the quoted logic you should only be allowed to do 1 relic or 1 empy or WoE or mythic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Yukichibi

On the contrary, i understand it can be frustrating, but i like the merit system, and the way it applies to new ws, you have to make choices, you can't be the "best" in every job.

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Why do people always say this? What's wrong with all your jobs being as good as possible?

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Originally Posted by Yukichibi

On the contrary, i understand it can be frustrating, but i like the merit system, and the way it applies to new ws, you have to make choices, you can't be the "best" in every job.

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Altough I don't really like this view, I can accept it and respect it. It's not really the same here though. With merits within the same job you have to make choices, but those choices are inside a single job.
You don't get a limit like "if you got merits for MNK, WAR and SAM then you won't be able to get merits for WHM".
Which is quite the case for weaponskills.

Once again, I'm fine with the limit, but they should make it a bit higher, like 20! That would be 4 different maxed up WS, I'd call myself satisfied on such a comrpomise.

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Originally Posted by brayen

Knowing the general population i am sure i am not the only one who has more jobs then 3.

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This issue goes beyond that, seeing as some jobs can access to NINE (9) WSs, take WAR for example.
MNK can access H2H, Club and Staff.
Sam can access Great Katana, Polearm and Archery.
And so on.

I can understand SE developers wanting to put a limit there, they just need to make it higher.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Why do people always say this? What's wrong with all your jobs being as good as possible?

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Exactly! The thing wrong with the merit system is that it goes completely against FFXI in every way possible. The whole job system is based about never having to be forced to compromise or settle down on one job, even temporarily, because you can always just go home to a Moogle and instantly change!

I don't mind "earning" the weapon skills via a merit point system, but if they're going to do that, they better have each be fully upgradable. Anything less is a disgrace to the job system they designed.

Edit: I want to make this very clear to SE reps reading this. This is unacceptable. I don't care if it takes one hundred merits per weapon skill to upgrade if it means we can upgrade them all, but limiting us is wrong. Shooting the job change system in the face is not good policy.

What i meant, is that you can't get specialized in every aspect, if we could it wouldn't be a specialization anymore.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Why do people always say this? What's wrong with all your jobs being as good as possible?

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Why do people always say this ? What's wrong with making choices and make certains aspects of your jobs as good as possible ?

It's an impossible debate, since there will always be pro and con.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Exactly! The thing wrong with the merit system is that it goes completely against FFXI in every way possible. The whole job system is based about never having to be forced to compromise or settle down on one job, even temporarily, because you can always just go home to a Moogle and instantly change!

I don't mind "earning" the weapon skills via a merit point system, but if they're going to do that, they better have each be fully upgradable. Anything less is a disgrace to the job system they designed.

Edit: I want to make this very clear to SE reps reading this. This is unacceptable. I don't care if it takes one hundred merits per weapon skill to upgrade if it means we can upgrade them all, but limiting us is wrong. Shooting the job change system in the face is not good policy.

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EXACTLY this is what has me disappointed on the new WS. If they are intent with keeping us limited at least make it less limited then this, only being able to max out 3 is very limiting out of 14 skills. As i have pointed out, you are already limited to one weaponskill when in combat so i see no point in this.

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Originally Posted by Yukichibi

What i meant, is that you can't get specialized in every aspect, if we could it wouldn't be a specialization anymore.



Why do people always say this ? What's wrong with making choices and make certains aspects of your jobs as good as possible ?

It's an impossible debate, since there will always be pro and con.

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How is it not a specialization anymore? you have to have the job leveled, and the combat skill, THEN you also have a quest. The fact that yes those are all attainable goals for anyone should not limit the fact that people wish to have more jobs then 3 in a specific field. There is no con to allowing players to have access to all the weaponskills. In the end of it all, you can only perform one weaponskill at a time, unlike job merits where you can use both JA that have recast timers on them or hp merits that are always active, etc.