Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

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Originally Posted by Veg

The problem with the low cap is the other areas are not being used.

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The problem with technology is that now almost no one can farm/hunt properly.

Should remove technology so the tiny proportion of people who enjoy hunting for their food will be happy then. It's the only logical solution.

Do we also get to go back to clubbing our women? So much easier than trying to ask them out.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Should remove technology so the tiny proportion of people who enjoy hunting for their food will be happy then. It's the only logical solution.

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This. I want to go farming, but it takes too long to do by myself, so i need help, but no one wants to do it, because they can sit back in an office all day playing ffxi and make 5x more money.

oh please the tired, half assed, excused of a reply "well we should remove technology too" please that is not somthing to compare this with.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

oh please the tired, half assed, excused of a reply "well we should remove technology too" please that is not somthing to compare this with.

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Yes it is. Technology break through have nearly obsoleted farming/hunting. It's so efficient now that we only need a relatively small amount of farmers to feed the entire world. So now, instead of everyone being forced to farm just to feed themselves, people are able to do other things with their time, and just buy all their food.

Like wise, in ffxi exping is so efficient that we don't need to actually do it ourselves, leaving us more free time to do things we actually want to do.

It's exactly the same.

game =/= rl

by that logic we should deleate all the old zones and only play in abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

by that logic we should deleate all the old zones and only play in abyssea.

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wat

By what logic?

Didn't you get the memo rog? When farming became better because of technology we abandoned that extra land never to do anything ever again there. That's why we as humans still live in small communities that consists of villages of a few hundred peop... oh wait.

P.S: Rambus your sig has a typo but I'm not going to tell you where; by using logic you should be able to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Didn't you get the memo rog? When farming became better because of technology we abandoned that extra land never to do anything ever again there. That's why we as humans still live in small communities that consists of villages of a few hundred people

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Oh, ok. Must have missed that one.

When it was released, SE stated that abyssea "Was designed to challenge players level 75 and above." So why the hell not allow only people 75 and above to go there? "We don't hafta work for our food, so why do we hafta earn our own experience?" Um, that sounds along the same lines of "buying my gil with my mom's money using rmts" and "Why get a job when I can just bum money from my friends who actually work?" Please, don't make yourselves look any more shameful. Atleast be quietly lazy. Don't blab it off for everyone to see you're wasting our time.

Can you explain how "designed to challenge players level 75 and above" means "designed to only allow players level 75 and above to gain experience"?

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Can you explain how "designed to challenge players level 75 and above" means "designed to only allow players level 75 and above to gain experience"?

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Pretty much all I've garnered from 2500~ posts in all these threads is that some people seem to think "Challenging Players" is equivalent to "Gaining Experience Points". Those that make that association hate Abyssea leeching. Those that don't make that association don't give a shit.

Makes you wonder how much content the majority of the playerbase has even experienced if EXP, Dynamis, and Story/Expansion Missions are considered difficult. I'm not even saying that to be facetious. It seems like a huge number of players have simply never even done all of 75-endgame, and that's sad.

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Originally Posted by KorPoni

When it was released, SE stated that abyssea "Was designed to challenge players level 75 and above." So why the hell not allow only people 75 and above to go there? "We don't hafta work for our food, so why do we hafta earn our own experience?" Um, that sounds along the same lines of "buying my gil with my mom's money using rmts" and "Why get a job when I can just bum money from my friends who actually work?" Please, don't make yourselves look any more shameful. Atleast be quietly lazy. Don't blab it off for everyone to see you're wasting our time.

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How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

Getting a job and buying food instead of making our own food = not getting a job and leeching off others?

The entire point was that we can get a job doing something else, so instead of directly getting X for ourselves, we can pay someone to get it for us, with all the extra money we have.

If you can make 10m gil per hour, but only earn 100k exp per hour, and could buy exp for 100k exp=1m gil, what would you do? Would you ever farm exp? Or would you simply farm gil, and convert that gil into exp? If you have a brain, you would never exp, unless you just really enjoyed it, and instead opt to farm gil, buy exp, and then use the remaining time to do something enjoyable.

Would you ask LeBron James to stop playing basketball, and farm his own food? Of course not. He can make so much money playing basketball, that he can afford to buy all the food he ever wants, along with almost anything else he wants/needs. And still have tons of time to spend doing things he really loves to do. Why would he ever spend his time doing hard work out on a farm? It just doesn't make sense.

This is why everyone should be required to take econ 101 in middle+high school. We'd see a lot less of these outrageous comparisons, and seeing people suggest things like doing things for yourself. Why would you ever want to do everything yourself? Self sufficiency is a terrible thing. Why would you want to be self sufficient and do everything on your own, when you can pay someone else who can do the jobs more efficiently, and cheaper for you?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Pretty much all I've garnered from 2500~ posts in all these threads is that some people seem to think "Challenging Players" is equivalent to "Gaining Experience Points". Those that make that association hate Abyssea leeching. Those that don't make that association don't give a shit.

Makes you wonder how much content the majority of the playerbase has even experienced if EXP, Dynamis, and Story/Expansion Missions are considered difficult. I'm not even saying that to be facetious. It seems like a huge number of players have simply never even done all of 75-endgame, and that's sad.

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It's unfortunate that those casuals are also the ones bitchig the loudest too =\

whats goign on guis

I have seen people support a decrease in the level to enter abyssea and those who think there needs to be an increase. I think there needs to be an increase. 70 or 75. I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

If SE did this a rework of the leveling system should be in order. One thing they could do is make all 20 jobs useful so that we don't have the return of your this job and useless.

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Originally Posted by Kanjitai

I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

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Weird, i leeched a job up to 85, and by the next day, i was better than 90% of others who played it. Must just be you.

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Originally Posted by Kanjitai

leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

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I think thats just you :D Skill ups are insanely easy and fast now and much-much easier than levelling the old way. Also it isn't hard to learn your job. Grinding and repeating the same button price for a month doesn't make you better than someone who button pressed for a day. that's like saying you're more skilled at using the TV remote. haha.

There is no benefit to levelling the old way than leeching.

I tryed leeching and I don't think it works for me. I've even been willing to pay the former of the group to let me leech. I got a few people telling me they pay not to have me.

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Originally Posted by Kanjitai

I have seen people support a decrease in the level to enter abyssea and those who think there needs to be an increase. I think there needs to be an increase. 70 or 75. I leeched one job in abyssea and realized that it's not a good way to level. it leaves you gimped and not knowing how to do your job.

If SE did this a rework of the leveling system should be in order. One thing they could do is make all 20 jobs useful so that we don't have the return of your this job and useless.

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Leveling the old fashioned way, in a party of six, does not guarantee player skill. It will likely let you keep your magic/combat skills up to date, but that is fairly meaningless because you can do that on your own in a few days afterward anyway.

All 20 jobs are useful for some things, just not all jobs for all things.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

All 20 jobs are useful for some things, just not all jobs for all things.

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This.

Abyssea did more to level the job playing field than any other update/patch/expansion in the game's history. If someone wants to pull the "I leeched my job and found out I don't know how to play it" card (re: Kanjitai), I'd have to ask why you didn't just research your job and/or ask the community. It's really not difficult at all to learn any job in the game.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

This.

Abyssea did more to level the job playing field than any other update/patch/expansion in the game's history. If someone wants to pull the "I leeched my job and found out I don't know how to play it" card (re: Kanjitai), I'd have to ask why you didn't just research your job and/or ask the community. It's really not difficult at all to learn any job in the game.

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The key to the heavens is in your last sentence. It make me wonder, why do people assume someone who did a 30-90 leech is incapable of learning the job? EXP parties don't teach much, if not anything at all. Player skill comes from practice, and if someone took the time to read a few forums, watch a few videos, ask some people, whatever; skilled up, and jumped into a fight, should be fine as log as they aren't inept at applying what theyve learned.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

It make me wonder, why do people assume someone who did a 30-90 leech is incapable of learning the job?

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A fairly safe assumption to make on Asura. The BlitheringIdiot:Competent ratio is somewhere between winning the lotto and getting struck by lightning.

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Originally Posted by Corwin

A fairly safe assumption to make on Asura. The BlitheringIdiot:Competent ratio is somewhere between winning the lotto and getting struck by lightning.

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Glad I'm not being merged into Asura then!