What new Jug Pets would you like to see 91-99?

I keep seeing people say that Japanese players make up most of ffxi's population. Does anyone have a link to where they have those stats posted? I've been trying to Google it, and I can't find crap. At any rate, I don't see the argument for a higher Japanese player base as valid. If they didn't vote, then they either A) don't play beast master or B) just don't care.
either way, they shouldn't have the most influence if they don't vote.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

It was a regional vote population doesn't matter, that's how it was decided. Sure if that 1 French person were to vote then ya he would have made up 25% of the final tally. His vote would have been his region vote thus giving his region a 25% shot just like all the other regions to have their final choice win. Again population doesn't matter in a regional vote.

The JP ultimately make up most of the player base on this game. If we were to have this vote on POL im sure the jp votes would more then double the NA votes. So should they then have more say over us? or should each region have an equal say in the end?



I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.

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You are just arguing to argue. If SE claims 1 language 1 vote they are just making excuses or they are just plain stupid. With as many options as they had each region could have easily voted for a different jug. Or the french and german forums could have cast a total of 9 votes but both voted for a pet neither the english or jp forums voted for and that pet would have won.

I think and this is entirely my opinion its based off when people get to play and they notice that from the time changes in the day there is a higher population of players online during the daylight time for Japan compared to their midnight time and US day time. This is just an opinion because whenever I have sat and played on my free time which times vary greatly between day and night I would do a search world on the game and take note that wow night life there is over 3k of people either afk or online compared to 1500 during the day. Those are rough estimates please don't quote me on it. >.< Now I do know they post the census of the game online but I don't have that page marked on my bookmarks. It normally is done in the Spring time. I do hope that helps FrankReynolds.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

"Just give us the top 5 most voted jugs, that would make about 98% of us happy "

And 4 of those 5 jugs they will make sure cost 200k a stack, where the hippo costs 5k

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And how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

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Originally Posted by Logandor

I think and this is entirely my opinion its based off when people get to play and they notice that from the time changes in the day there is a higher population of players online during the daylight time for Japan compared to their midnight time and US day time. This is just an opinion because whenever I have sat and played on my free time which times vary greatly between day and night I would do a search world on the game and take note that wow night life there is over 3k of people either afk or online compared to 1500 during the day. Those are rough estimates please don't quote me on it. >.< Now I do know they post the census of the game online but I don't have that page marked on my bookmarks. It normally is done in the Spring time. I do hope that helps FrankReynolds.

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yeah, I've found lots of census info, but nothing that shows the nationality of the actual players.

That population by time thing could be correct. It could also just mean that Japanese players don't stay logged in, while people in other regions tend to leave their characters afk, rather than log out. A lot of people claim that PS2 is what most JP players use, which would explain why you don't see a lot of JP bazaar mules standing around. I also have 2 Japanese accounts, as do many other people who bought the game when it was still in JP only release, so the census may not be very accurate to boot.

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Originally Posted by Rennix

I came to the conclusion that people would vote in different regions based on the comments in this thread a few pages back. Sorry I was over generalizing the different sections of the forum I should have been referring to the NA as English. This covers you.

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That's an unfair way to vote. The vast numbers of countries that speak English over say Japanese, French or German being bulked into one vote makes the voting system faulty and biased.

If you want a regional vote then as someone from the UK my vote SHOULD be separated from the NA votes and so on, by clumping them together it means basically SE can fix the votes to the way they want it to be.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I keep seeing people say that Japanese players make up most of ffxi's population. Does anyone have a link to where they have those stats posted?

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Based on what I remember of the yearly census results SE has posted in the past (not going to try looking it up right now, though), there's a fairly steady baseline of players online all the time, then a small-to-moderate spike of players that log in during NA prime time periods, and a large spike of players that log in during JP prime time. Overall it gives the impression that a heavy majority of the player base is JP, even if they're only on a few hours per day.

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Originally Posted by Motenten

Based on what I remember of the yearly census results SE has posted in the past (not going to try looking it up right now, though), there's a fairly steady baseline of players online all the time, then a small-to-moderate spike of players that log in during NA prime time periods, and a large spike of players that log in during JP prime time. Overall it gives the impression that a heavy majority of the player base is JP, even if they're only on a few hours per day.

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http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui.../10/index.html

according to the last census, and all the past ones I looked at, the peak is at Japanese midnight, which is 8-11 AM in the United states, and late afternoon in Europe. I know gamers tend to be night owls, but it seems like that could just as easily be people from other time zones where it is day time.

I said the same thing last time this conversation came up but no one wants to believe that the entire rest of the world could add up to more than just the JPs. That spike is just the time when JPs haven't logged yet, EUs are wide awake and NAs are just waking up and the smaller spike is where JPs are waking up, NAs are still awake, and EUs are dead asleep.

I wanna see an Opo-opo pet...

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Originally Posted by Earwig

I wanna see an Opo-opo pet...

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Magic fruit eating monkey bastards.
I actualy wanted this too.

Just a friendly reminder to the community rep that SE doesnt' have the reality distortion fields around people like Apple/Steve Jobs does and some of us are still here waiting for an answer.

Ignoring the problem does not make the problem go away. Face up to it and tell us the truth is all we wanted to hear.

Actually, ignoring this will eventually make it go away. How many players are going to quit over it?

if they quit, the arguments on this forum will go away. If they don't quit, we'll probably find something else to talk about. OR we just won't participate in the next time this kind of feedback is asked for.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Just a friendly reminder to the community rep that SE doesnt' have the reality distortion fields around people like Apple/Steve Jobs does and some of us are still here waiting for an answer.

Ignoring the problem does not make the problem go away. Face up to it and tell us the truth is all we wanted to hear.

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It lost, face it. It had nothing to do with numbers of individual votes here. 50,000 votes here would still just add up to one 1.
And like the galka said, ignoring it will make it go away. lol

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Originally Posted by Xilk

Actually, ignoring this will eventually make it go away. How many players are going to quit over it?

if they quit, the arguments on this forum will go away. If they don't quit, we'll probably find something else to talk about. OR we just won't participate in the next time this kind of feedback is asked for.

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Indeed.

Personally I just will no longer vote on anything they do, since it means jack!

But we got a toad. Se realizes they only care about their own, so they game us a useless frog as compensation for their inappropriate behavior.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

But we got a toad. Se realizes they only care about their own, so they game us a useless frog as compensation for their inappropriate behavior.

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Actually they added that as an insult to the french because they didn't even vote.

Camate,

You might want to let your boss know that some of us are still here waiting for a full disclosures on what happened to those votes.

I'll keep you reminded until we get an answer.

Good Monday morning, Camate.

Any word from HQ as to when they going to take their heads out of the sand and willing to give us the answer that some of us are still waiting for?

Have a good day.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Camate,

You might want to let your boss know that some of us are still here waiting for a full disclosures on what happened to those votes.

I'll keep you reminded until we get an answer.

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Echoing that. We'd like a real explanation.

Well on a side note we at least excited about the next level cap release? As for the entire vote problem I personally will not be voting anymore either mainly because I just felt the votes did not mean any thing. I am though curious about what levels these new pets will be released. I know it will be 96-99 though. Anyone know?

There was no problem with the vote, they are just incapable to see past thier own numbers to the real ones. The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

As for the pets Logan, I didn't see anywhere where they said the lvls of the indiviual pets other then the fact that the frog is low/mid range and for novelty purposes only.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

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Inaccurately spelling the word accurately ...

Priceless

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

There was no problem with the vote, they are just incapable to see past thier own numbers to the real ones. The english vote was accounted for accurataly.

As for the pets Logan, I didn't see anywhere where they said the lvls of the indiviual pets other then the fact that the frog is low/mid range and for novelty purposes only.

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Ah okay thank you. :)

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Originally Posted by Logandor

Ah okay thank you. :)

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It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.

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1.) That's not what Logan was replying too. lol and 2.) Everyone's was "clumped together." All of the JP votes only ammassed to 1 as well. Don't forget, we're not the only forum. We're just the one that doesn't shut up.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

Inaccurately spelling the word accurately ...

Priceless

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I take pride in my P grades in high school english. ^^

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It wasn't fair. Clumping EVERY English player together to create 1 vote despite where they live to basically rig the vote doesn't equal fair.

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I was saying thank you for the info on the pets. Yesh why is so many people mean these days. All I wanted to say was thank you about the pet info. Yes how the voting went down sucked but like hell I would say thank you about that crap. I guess I ought to just keep my niceness for the game now on. :( sorry to tick you off so darn much.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

1.) That's not what Logan was replying too. lol and 2.) Everyone's was "clumped together." All of the JP votes only ammassed to 1 as well. Don't forget, we're not the only forum. We're just the one that doesn't shut up.I take pride in my P grades in high school english. ^^

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Didn't know that Tsukino_Kaji is the official rep for SE on this forum. Since WHEN did any rep comes out and tell us that EACH forum will only get 1 VOTE? Please link me to that post and I will forever shut up about this topic.

It is Camate that said SCORPION WON and he will be reporting that to the dev:

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Originally Posted by Camate

Happy Monday everyone!

At the start, it was a close battle between Ruszor and Scorpion, but...

Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion :)

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It is YOUR opinion and conclusion that each forum has only 1 vote. It is some of our opinion that the words of "Scorpion had the most votes! I will let the development team know that the victor was Scorpion" means Scorpion has won and that's what will be coming.

As I've said many times before, if SE is willing to give us a clarifications as to what was the cause of the mix up (i.e. not announcing that each forum only gets 1 vote), then most of us would be prefectly willing to be quiet and stfu. But without a clear statement from an OFFICIAL SE REP, which, unfortunately, you dont have that title next to your name at the moment, please you can have your opinion and others can also have our opinion as well.

Another thing to really think about it this way, what if there's 1 vote in the french forum and their vote together with german's vote would wins over both the English and the JP forum. Would SE still have implemented that? Just think about the logic behind that.

The solution is very simple, SE just needs to get their heads out of the sand and to give us a real clarification and that can end all speculations from us.

I hope Camate can delivery this msg to the higher up. Sorry for stressing you out on this issue. I'm sure it suck for you (and other community rep) to be stuck in the middle but unfortunately this is your job as the official community rep and you appear to be the only one that would communicate with us on a regular basis.

We are the paying customers and we are demanding a clear explanations on this issue.

He was telling you that it was 1st on the eglish forums which is exactly what I said, not that it won over all.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

He was telling you that it was 1st on the eglish forums which is exactly what I said, not that it won over all.

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Strange, he did not use 'on the english forum' in his posting. Again, it it YOUR assumption that it implies only to the English forum but it is MY (and some others as well) assumption that it is for ALL.

Again, if this is truly the case as you said, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Camate from coming back and just post that. A CLARIFICATION from an official SE rep would shut most of us up. But no, it's been over a month now since they have gone into silent in this regard and you know they're still reading all the uproar that is still going on. So, SE, why not just give us, your paying customers, a statement to satisfy our inquiries?

Honestly would be better just to admit to what they did so we know never to get our hopes up about a vote again.

The scorpion will be a merit pet I bet. It'll be one of those gotcha! moments. :P

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Strange, he did not use 'on the english forum' in his posting. Again, it it YOUR assumption that it implies only to the English forum but it is MY (and some others as well) assumption that it is for ALL.

Again, if this is truly the case as you said, there's absolutely nothing to prevent Camate from coming back and just post that. A CLARIFICATION from an official SE rep would shut most of us up. But no, it's been over a month now since they have gone into silent in this regard and you know they're still reading all the uproar that is still going on. So, SE, why not just give us, your paying customers, a statement to satisfy our inquiries?

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Have you ever concidered that everything you're making up is wrong, only falsely perpetuating something that never happened and that's why they're not bothering to respond to you. Plus, you're virtualy harrassing and belittling them. That's not a particularly productive way to go about it.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Have you ever concidered that everything you're making up is wrong, only falsely perpetuating something that never happened and that's why they're not bothering to respond to you. Plus, you're virtualy harrassing and belittling them. That's not a particularly productive way to go about it.

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When did I 'making up' anything, it is Camate's words that 'Scorpion won', not MINE or anyone else on this forum. It is MY opinion and demand (yes, I said Demand as a PAYING CUSTOMER) for a clarifications. It is absolutely within my rights as a paying customer (at least in the US, we believe in this) to know what happened to that vote. It is absolutely within SE's right to either come out to give us an answer or not - however it is generally bad idea to keep ignoring your paying customers. I can 'DEMAND' all I want because the fact that I AM their paying customer. Am I harassing them by keep asking for a clarification? No I do not believe I am. I would if they comes out with an official clarifications and then I keeps on at the same topic over and over and over again. See the difference there? I'm demanding a clarification as a PAYING Customer and until I get that clarification, I will continue to DEMAND that clarifications. The simpliest solution is for SE to come out and give all of us a clarification. That is all we are asking.

Am I belittling SE as a company at the moment? Absolutely I am right now. Any company who rather IGNORES their PAYING Customers are stupid and ignorance and loses their customers' confidence as each day things past. As a company, they should worry more when their out spoken customers quiet because it doesn't mean the problems went away, it just means they lost customers.

SE: continue the ignorance practices all you want and sticking your head in the sand does not make things go away. Just come out and give us an official clarifications. BS us if you want. But at least response and give us the logic and reasoning. Is it truly because it is 1 vote per region/forum? And please explains what happens if 1 person were to vote in French and German and if those 2 add up were to surpass that of either JP and EN along, would you still implement it. Continuing sticking your corporate head in the SAND does not and will not make things go away. At least not as long as you want to have EN customers.

Sorry I got busy yesterday and didn't get to do my weekly bump to remind SE that some of us are still here patiently waiting for an official clarification on the mess.

Camate: glad you had a good thanksgiving holiday.

Another week without a clarification from SE. So, here's my weekly bump to reminded SE that there are persistent customers out there still waiting to hear from them.

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<

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Originally Posted by Vizardx

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<

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If that happens I will have a freak out, I think

All said of ideas. SE realy has been bad about keeping the Flow of what Creature classes are in the bst list. Even with new stuff, they finaly got an amorph pet just to remove fish class past 75. Personly I do like ideas of "Epic" jugs, perhaps a 99 merited thing to let bst summon these supper jugs, perhaps combo those super jugs with ability to Charm wild Malbarros, Rocs, Goobues, ect... They've been workin to push Bst away from charming all together from what i've seen So would be nice to have things making charming pets good again.

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Originally Posted by Vizardx

Didnt they say Guttler may get its own jug pet a while back?
maybe guttler will get a scorpian <,<

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why even bother anymore? At our current pace it will probably only use bind breath.