[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

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Originally Posted by Saiken253

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.

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But how would you do this? It's not as simple as just matching their WS potential. Making scythe WS's = to GS would only serve to kill GS. If both had equally strong ws's, the GS supporters would instead be ridiculed for using a low damage weapon with a worse xhit instead of a 4-5 hit high damage scythe. The only way I can see to make the two weapons perfectly equal is to have them be exact mirror images of each other in damage, delay and WS damage, and at that point, why even bother having multiple weapon choices?

just make the scythe WSs a little weaker then GS then i suppose. as it is right now, scythe WSs are much weaker than GS.

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Originally Posted by Calamity

Scythe may be an A+ skill, but I don't see how that makes it any more a signature weapon than it does GS. Drks have always been the best wielder of both weapons. I think the very idea of one weapon being superior to the other is a mistake. I mean really, the difference in skill between scythe and GS is what now, 7-8 points? That's negligible on anything. This is not an attack on scythe, this is an attack on the idea that scythe is any more deserving than GS as a drk's weapon of choice.

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This isn't personal what I'm about to say, but I'd like to just point out something using your quote. I want everyone to consider that when DRK (you too SE please) is given a job specific weapon ONLY, i.e. twilight sycthe, the one from megamaw mikey, all the 70+ ones; the weapon that is for DRK only is Scythe. Our relic and empyrean only are this, so that's just a point I'm making. Besides Blm, there is no other job which has that job only scythe to my knowledge. So, because there's so many scythe for drk only, that must mean that's a drk's main weapon. Sure, if a blu wants to he can use a club, so can a pld. But you get what I'm saying don't you.

Why does the Scythe WS suck so bad, give DRK A+ GS skill, because without a relic Scythe, there's really no point to use a scythe because all it's WS suck. I tried to use my twilight one, but really you should have made it "Twilight Great Sword", Drk only.

You do raise good points, though I don't think any of mine are really diminished. GS is the only weapon type in the entire game that started out without a job to master it. I'd say that has changed. And I do have to say I think it's an exageration about how much Entropy sucks. It's not as strong as a GS ws, but with the right gear setup, it's really not that bad. Inside abyssea it's actually damn good. I average 4-5k on trash mobs with it and about 3k on higher level stuff. Whether or not it's what people hoped for, it is an upgrade to what we had. You have to give SE at least that much

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Originally Posted by Saiken253

@Stingray104

I agree with you on the point that neither GS nor scythe should be stronger than the other. I wan them to both be equivalent in damage and utility. before, GS and scythe were the utility weapons(with different effects) with sleep and paralysis being on GS and Scythe has blind and silence. Why force scythe to then be super utility and then GS be super damage? why not they be equal?

I know what people will say, them being equal is stupid, but please stop being ignorant. Them being equal would allow DRKs to play exactly the way they want to play and not be laughed at for not using GS(now) or Scythe(then). I want to be able to use either and have that kind of variety in my favorite melee job.

Making either GS or Scythe superior to the other is just unfair to us DRKs.

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The biggest problem with people saying that they want scythe and GS damage to be equal is that they mean equal, as in the same exact damage. Scythe and GS have always had to be different in damage because of balance issues, GS needs the high damage ws's because its lower delay means it takes longer to build tp, whereas scythe has higher delay and base damage meaning its ws's should be a little weaker to make up for the higher tp gain and higher base damage.

As for utility, enfeebling effects on ws's are forgotten effects, seriously does guillotine cause silence, who knows, really at best you get it to interupt spells like gekko does, point is ws effects are by and large pointless with 2 exceptions, HP drain and MP gain. The relic ws catastrophe and entropy are very useful ws's and provide much for DRKs with them, and thus considering that Entropy is in fact stronger than guillotine and has the nice added bonus of mp gain it seems like a no brainer to me. However I also understand that scythe still lacks in the damage area and has fallen behind against GS and I would agree that certain ws's like Insurgency and Quietus need strong damage buffs (crit for Insurgency and higher tp mod for Quietus) but I think Entropy is just fine where it is. Torcleaver had a vit build on it and that was difficult til 90 when they introduced better gear with vit for DRK to build on with for strong ws sets, but I have always noticed good int gear on DRK.

As I agree making either stronger is not the way to seek BALANCE, yet I can't agree with entropy getting the desired boost you want because at this point it is a very great and useful ws.


PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

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This mind state is moronic. Nerfing another job does nothing for DRK. I don't think you grasp how weak our WSs are compared to Ukko's Fury. They'd have to nerf the WS to oblivion for any of our WS to come close to it....and even then it's still STR based with a chance to crit.

The fact that DRKs are so hard up that they'd actually cheer another job getting nerfed speaks volumes on how bad the job currently is.

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Originally Posted by Hextitan

This mind state is moronic. Nerfing another job does nothing for DRK. I don't think you grasp how weak our WSs are compared to Ukko's Fury. They'd have to nerf the WS to oblivion for any of our WS to come close to it....and even then it's still STR based with a chance to crit.

The fact that DRKs are so hard up that they'd actually cheer another job getting nerfed speaks volumes on how bad the job currently is.

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It has been like that for years but it seems every other job made light of the simple fact SE trolled us with bullshit ja/spells/etc that are useless in most cases. This was all fine with everyone that we were the "emo" crowd till a "slight" nerf to warrior and you would think the fucking walls are falling in on everyone. Go find yourself some razor blades now because this nerfing jobs (except sam) won't be over anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by StingRay104

PS: I just got done celebrating the downfall of the super broken Ukko;s Fury and can't wait to see DRK get back in the game of being a great DD.

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Nerfing isn't good for anyone. Ask anyone that had Apoc pre2007 or did a RNGburn or was a RDMtank etc. UF WARs helped me as a DRK, killing stuff faster is good for everyone.

Make anything DRK related stronger. Would be a start.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Nerfing isn't good for anyone. Ask anyone that had Apoc pre2008 or did a RNGburn or was a RDMtank etc. UF WARs helped me as a DRK, killing stuff faster is good for everyone.

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It's march 08 sir.. had your date wrong there...