Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

i had 75's before abyssea and i never gear swapped to each his own i know i will get flamed but im not gonna drag around 8 different sets of gear i swap staves but not much more than that. and if u say no gear swap you not getting full potential i can dual box better than some of you single

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apply yourself, be useful in all areas, and not just one.

To my fellow posters who support the changes to abyssea to raise the level cap to 70 or 75....WE ARE MAKING AN IMPACT and scaring the posters on this forum who are against us! and the ones against these changes proved it in THIS THREAD!! I made that thread as a lure for those who are against us and want want to keep our voices unknown! the entire thread post was a mind-game i devised to get people who are scared of us the "minority" and they took it hook,line, and sinker! if that thread is deleted it will only farther prove my point! keep posting and keep it up! we'll make a difference!

Except the thread couldn't have been locked... by.... players...

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Originally Posted by Krystal

To my fellow posters who support the changes to abyssea to raise the level cap to 70 or 75....WE ARE MAKING AN IMPACT and scaring the posters on this forum who are against us! and the ones against these changes proved it in THIS THREAD!! I made that thread as a lure for those who are against us and want want to keep our voices unknown! the entire thread post was a mind-game i devised to get people who are scared of us the "minority" and they took it hook,line, and sinker! if that thread is deleted it will only farther prove my point! keep posting and keep it up! we'll make a difference!

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What is this, I dont even...

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

What is this, I dont even...

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rofl!! you took the bait..hook,line,and sinker!:P

are there really THAT many people that still need to leech xp in Abyssea?

I had a group in Attowha last week. We had one party cleaving to keep TE flowing, one group popping in and out to get the TE's and reforming to farm NM's as needed, and another group for people that wanted to level subs, get merits, whatever. Our LS was basically in there for about 36 hours total. I was active in there for about 12 hours (one job from 61 to 90, one from 85-90, another from 85-88 and lots of skillups on various weapons for all 3 jobs, and took some afk time at #01 to sleep), and only saw what looked like maybe one other group in there on a /sea all. At one point...we were the ONLY 14 people in the entire zone.

However, the heroes zones stay packed. I would <assume> the cleaves and heavy AFK leeching should be done in the lower 6 zones, simply because they are easier targets and they are by design more appropriate for AFK leeching. I've gone into Thienne before and the only people in there were just there for NM's, namely Zone win or farming items to pop the Zone Boss and beyond.

The point I'm getting at...is it would seem the heavy AFK leeching should be done outside of where most the xp'ing is currently being done. Sure, Dominion groups may have leechers, but it's not somewhere you really want to be afk'ing. You want to keep running back to the Sergeant to get your free xp and/or seals every 5 kills. It would seem the groups with mass amounts of AFK leechers <should> be in the older Scars/Vision zones--if they can't fight/cure/buff/open chests...there really isn't anything to do but squat in pre-Heroes areas.

Rather than tinkering with the level requirements for access, what they REALLY need to do is provide an incentive for people to return to the earlier zones and get out of the way of everyone in the Heroes zones so it's more spread out.

Raist

EDIT: and btw, they've started locking some of these extra threads on this topic now...too many duplicate threads popping up with lots of Q Q I guess.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

rofl!! you took the bait..hook,line,and sinker!:P

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I'm still confused, what did I do again? Just sounds like you are very mad.

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Originally Posted by Nattack

apply yourself, be useful in all areas, and not just one.

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quote when i said i only dual in abyssea find that for me plz show it to all of us. not there is it read the whole post i dual box anywhere also solo anywhere. what i said was swapping gear is not the only way to play and doesnt make u better than anyone else i dont do it i dont like im not carrying all that gear

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

I'm still confused, what did I do again? Just sounds like you are very mad.

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The more we talk to/about him, the more attention he gets, thus that obviously means that he will get his way. You realize that, at some point in time, most FFXI players knew who Starcade was too, right? Yeah, that didn't help him all too much.

Compare to Naturebeckles. Losing argument/ignore all logic => pretend to be a troll!

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

I'm still confused, what did I do again? Just sounds like you are very mad.

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simply put: you inadvertently supported my cause for encouraging posters who are against abyssea being level 30 capped and needing to be raised and the dyna update to post more threads!

so i should be thanking you..:)

Krystal, honestly and truly you are destroying these forums. You seem to have the sincere belief that the thread you just made meant something? It got locked, fast, and on top of that it made you even less credible.

You're opinions aren't right, they're not somehow more important than mine, and of course the reverse is also true. You should try to encourage a more open dialogue about the issues and reach a consensus that everyone can agree with, instead of spamming, and that is EXACTLY what you are doing, these forums to artificially make it seem like your opinion is holds more credence than others.

Some of my friends like to help people leech up, they kill mobs in Ule for us, and we are appreciative of that. It saves us gil for subs that we have no intention to play beyond 49. It allows some of us to be more useful in party and linkshell situations by being more diverse, it's by no means a bad thing, regardless of how you try and frame it.

to say either side is a minority or majority would be a reaching, seeing that it runs on the assumption that everyone in the game posts their opinions in this forum. This thread in particular is only posted on my a very small percentage of the player base mostly made up of the same handful of people posting numerous times. As a side note whenever i did a /search on Sylph when the servers were up there is no clear way to tell that even by zone populations. Most of the time a majority of the people signed on are not even in an abyssea area.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

Krystal, honestly and truly you are destroying these forums.

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I lol'd because it's so true.

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Originally Posted by Dubberrucky

to say either side is a minority or majority would be a reaching, seeing that it runs on the assumption that everyone in the game posts their opinions in this forum. This thread in particular is only posted on my a very small percentage of the player base mostly made up of the same handful of people posting numerous times. As a side note whenever i did a /search on Sylph when the servers were up there is no clear way to tell that even by zone populations. Most of the time a majority of the people signed on are not even in an abyssea area.

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Would be true, if not for the fact that one of the key arguments for raising the Abyssea entry requirement revolves around there being "Not enough players willing to exp outside Abyssea for people to party in normal zones". Either they're a minority, or that statement is false. It cannot be both.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

quote when i said i only dual in abyssea find that for me plz show it to all of us. not there is it read the whole post i dual box anywhere also solo anywhere. what i said was swapping gear is not the only way to play and doesnt make u better than anyone else i dont do it i dont like im not carrying all that gear

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Swapping gear makes you much better players then people who don't.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

quote when i said i only dual in abyssea find that for me plz show it to all of us. not there is it read the whole post i dual box anywhere also solo anywhere. what i said was swapping gear is not the only way to play and doesnt make u better than anyone else i dont do it i dont like im not carrying all that gear

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yes it does.

edit: jinx

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

Swapping gear makes you much better players then people who don't.

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heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack you guys try to change this game into rocket surgery when its very simple hit them dont let them hit you

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

Swapping gear makes you much better players then people who don't.

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I'm honestly surprised that people don't swap gear this late in to the game. There are next to no pieces of gear in the game which are the best for all situations; to maximize your efficiency you need to swap gear. The players that do so deal greater damage, evade more often, hit faster and are therefore superior to those who do not.

Not even that, but the main argument against it (Oh my god I can't target you) is easily avoidable. There's macros for that. <stpc>, if you are not using it then start.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack

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There's is no question that they would defeat the enemy quicker, with more hp than you.

As soon as the servers are up.
I want to see it. seriously.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Would be true, if not for the fact that one of the key arguments for raising the Abyssea entry requirement revolves around there being "Not enough players willing to exp outside Abyssea for people to party in normal zones". Either they're a minority, or that statement is false. It cannot be both.

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going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack

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if I can kill a Tiny Mandragora at level 5 and you can kill it at level 90, there is no difference between your abilities at level 90 and mine at level 5.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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If players who want to level outside Abyssea are not a minority, finding other people to exp with outside Abyssea will not be difficult. Understanding that, however, must be.

lmao Watching things going down on these forums is Really turning out to be fun!! hahaha

where a team of dumb players can wipe on a NM i can still survive and win without all that who ra and macroing in gear

Can't we at leastr agree to disagree, because this is getting us nowhere.
Probably will get locked like the last two threads did.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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My god.

If there aren't enough people to make a party outside of Abyssea because most people are in Abyssea this means that the people who are outside Abyssea trying to make a party are in the minority.

Logic.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack you guys try to change this game into rocket surgery when its very simple hit them dont let them hit you

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I wonder, have you even tried to fight anything more difficult than seal NMs? Sure, you can get away with that. But gear swapping will let me kill extraordinarily faster than you and much more safer (and I won't need to dual box either).

Icestein, I think that's an important point being overlooked by a lot of the complaints about leeching.

Many of the leechers are LS mates/friends of the leader of either the alliance or individual parties, and thus usually have certain rules that apply to the leechers. Maybe they are more offended that they can't get into a party to leech because the leaders have restrictions?

When we started doing it, you could only leech if you were opening boxes--thus, once we hit 3 leeches, no more were allowed. Everyone had to ask beforehand, and we kept a list of people and had a priority--you had to wait your turn.

Now, we have several people who can cleave for us, and a few RDM's to buff them. So, we'll set a day to tag team the WAR and RDM roles, make a list of attendees, and make a day out of it. The new rule is if you want to leech, you HAVE to bring and USE 100 keys BEFORE you can go AFK. We hold a spot for the first 18 people who sign up for it, and only take new members when they leave (or get dropped). If you go AFK without opening keys, or otherwise making plans to do so when someone finishes their spot...then you get bumped. It's crazy when a new group comes in sometimes. 3 or 4 people racing to see who can burn their 100 keys first...heheh.

Raist

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

I'm honestly surprised that people don't swap gear this late in to the game. There are next to no pieces of gear in the game which are the best for all situations; to maximize your efficiency you need to swap gear. The players that do so deal greater damage, evade more often, hit faster and are therefore superior to those who do not.

Not even that, but the main argument against it (Oh my god I can't target you) is easily avoidable. There's macros for that. <stpc>, if you are not using it then start.



There's is no question that they would defeat the enemy quicker, with more hp than you.

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you obviously never seen me solo

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

where a team of dumb players can wipe on a NM i can still survive and win without all that who ra and macroing in gear

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Which means you're better than them but worse than yourself if you used gear swaps

I don't even know where to start- maybe they should have a section for people that don't think gear swaps matter on here?- That way they can all lick the windows together. But anyways back on topic- if someone does their work and skill up/buys scroll/learns spell after they leech to 90 this really doesnt matter what abyssea lvl cap is. It is the people who dont and want stuff handed to them that make this even an issue.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

If players who want to level outside Abyssea are not a minority, finding other people to exp with outside Abyssea will not be difficult. Understanding that, however, must be.

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the reason it's difficult is because most players have given up on finding a party outside of abyssea. since a great deal of people i have spoken to said "they would love to party outside of abyssea but there are no parties" see the problem here? it's not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it..it's a matter of they have simply given up hope over time because they can't find any!

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Originally Posted by Krystal

the reason it's difficult is because most players have given up on finding a party outside of abyssea. since a great deal of people i have spoken to said "they would love to party outside of abyssea but there are no parties" see the problem here? it's not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it..it's a matter of they have simply given up hope over time because they can't find any!

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Then party with those people outside of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

the reason it's difficult is because most players have given up on finding a party outside of abyssea. since a great deal of people i have spoken to said "they would love to party outside of abyssea but there are no parties" see the problem here? it's not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it..it's a matter of they have simply given up hope over time because they can't find any!

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They don't matter, then. Nobody likes a quitter, etc.

Edit: Also, what aduidarnenye said.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

if I can kill a Tiny Mandragora at level 5 and you can kill it at level 90, there is no difference between your abilities at level 90 and mine at level 5.

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wow you missed the whole point didnt you who was talking about anything at lvl 5 your brain is still lvl 5 of course im talking something tougher. you know what i should solo you on lvl 1brd/drg

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Originally Posted by RAIST

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

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It's probably for the best.

Are you saying that out of all of these "great deal" of people, nobody has once thought - even once - to shout in Jeuno to see if somebody wants to start a party? According to you, it's "not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it" and it's simply that they "can't find any" - so if you shout to create one, you should have people flooding in, no?

a squad of RMT in full AF can take out King Behemoth.

anything is possible in this game, but this is a matter of efficiency.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

the reason it's difficult is because most players have given up on finding a party outside of abyssea. since a great deal of people i have spoken to said "they would love to party outside of abyssea but there are no parties" see the problem here? it's not a matter of people not wanting to party outside of it..it's a matter of they have simply given up hope over time because they can't find any!

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Just like pre abyssea? Do you not remember the hours some people would wait for a pt invite?