FINAL FANTASY XI® Seekers of Adoulin

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

It's our own fault for having crappy, gimmic only gaming companies. What do we make here? Wall crawller and FPS rehashes.

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America is imo the FPS country of gaming, seems most of them or most popular ones come from here. Halo, Battlefield, CoD, and the like are all here. Japan is the RPG country, no country makes RPGs like Japan does, SE being one of the biggest names in the genre. So far as I know America games have had no problems going to other countries unless laws did not allow for it, however I doubt SE has been having this problem. For instance, I'm sure my Kingdom Hearts II:Final Mix+ had nothing the US government wouldn't allow. It just seems unfair to me in the end.

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Originally Posted by Apie

Alienating a portion of their customers doesn't sound like a smart economical decision. Also, I checked online, the PlayStation3 licensing fee is $10 per game sold and the expansion will most likely be $19 to $29, plus since this is a PS2 title, I would imagine the licensing fee is even less than $10. Usually that would make the profit margin really low, but all the costs involved with programming and translating are already going to be done with the other releases. They have no additional licensing fees since they own the property and they are a publisher, so no outside costs with publishing. The manual will already be made for the PC and 360 version, so costs are very minimal there to make slight adjustments to the manual to make it for the PS2, or they could just translate the Japanese PS2 manual. So no, I don't see how it will be more expensive than it costs to release it here. If anything, it will be very slightly profitable, even with minimum sales. Plus Sony might have a special rate for expansions, since they aren't full games, they rely on another game to function, in which Sony has already made their profit on the original release.

Another option is making the Japanese PS2 expansion region-free, Play-Asia and eBay can easily handle that demand. This is just a suggestion off the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty of other solutions.

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>>>Why would people even consider racism/discrimination? It boggles the mind.

That part was already explained a few posts back, in detail, by a few different people. You really should read the full argument if you're going to criticize the comments of others.

>>>Look, SE runs a business, not a bloody charity.

When did PS2 owners ask for it for free? They want EQUAL treatment that others are getting, not special treatment.

>>>for a system nothing is being produced for is kind of silly. Not to mention that the large ps2's don't even read the disks anymore - for the most part.

Whether or not they are still making games for the PS2 is irrelevant cause people still play this game on the PS2 and it's these people who will buy it, no one else will, so the ones that want it already have working PS2s or at least a first generation PS3, so there are working systems to play the PS2 game on. I have 3 fully working PS2s (one old style, one new style and the Japanese FFXII collector's system.)

These people who are being denied access to the new expansion, just because they live in the "wrong" country or use the "wrong" system, are people who you may have had parties with or who may have walked by you and cured you when you were hurt. Why should they be excluded when others in the same situation as them aren't being excluded. You would feel a lot more butthurt if it was your system that was being denied access to what everyone else is getting.

For the record, I play on the PC, but I have it on the 360 and first generation PS3. So it doesn't really affect me, but wrong is wrong and this is wrong.

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It appears that we have a misunderstanding, I apologize.

I will try to clear it up.

I do not support the segregated support of the ps2. As in, NA gets none while JP gets ps2 support. I think there hasn't been ps2 support for a while especially in light of the many issues ps2 players run into. Issues such as black screens, being locked while talking to an NPC or while in a cut scene- just to name a few. If we had actual support those issues would have been taken care of.

It's not that I don't sympathize with the NA ps2 players. I do. The ps2 exclusion hits pretty close to home- quite literally. My younger sister still uses a ps2 to play FFXI and she's one of the people that would end up getting excluded. She's also one of the people I routinely play FFXI with.

Computers are readily accessible today and even the cheapest PC that came out within the last five years can run FFXI. If someone is still playing on the ps2 then they should upgrade to PC. Not to mention that most people have a PC or a next gen gaming console. This should not be that big of an issue.

I want this game to keep growing. Keeping the ps2 around will do more bad than good.

In short, I support dropping ps2 support across the board.

In closing...

I don't see why they can't just update it the way they did with Abyssea. I do not mean in three mini expansions, what I mean is where everyone updates the game and has the files on their hard drive. Then, people would just buy the expansion code. That would make everyone happy and no disks are involved.

Alternatively, SE could add a FFXI collection to the PSN and let people play it on their ps3's without it being a first gen system.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Oddly, not everyone knows someone/is friends with/lives next to someone who plays FFXI, much less plays it on PC. Unless you're willing to send me your copy in the mail I'm still going to be forced to get the PC version along with the expansion just to play in the new area. It's best not to assume that everyone personally knows someone else who plays, it's just not the case nor has it ever really been so.

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So you don't chat with anyone you play the game with, or read BlueGartr? Ever thought of using your internet connection to solve the problem instead of the postal service...? And why send you my copy? Why not a copy of my copy for you to keep? No copy protection on the discs, remember? You are already a paying subscriber, and the game doesn't require original discs.

Why should I support piracy? And how would knowing people online equate to my being able to borrow a legal copy of the game? I'd have to know them in real life, thus knowing where they live and how to get in touch with them outside of the internet to arrange the exchange. I think it's best to drop this 'copy of a copy' talk now before this thread gets locked.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Why should I support piracy? And how would knowing people online equate to my being able to borrow a legal copy of the game? I'd have to know them in real life, thus knowing where they live and how to get in touch with them outside of the internet to arrange the exchange. I think it's best to drop this 'copy of a copy' talk now before this thread gets locked.

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It's NOT piracy.

Piracy is when you illegally obtain a copy of something you did not pay for, you already own a copy of the game and are using a means to install said purchase. They are completely different.

Technically SE themselves should provide a means to download the game for free as it's a paid for MMO.

Every multiplatform player I know, in-game or out, has bought the console version, and otherwise obtained the PC version. Local friends are saved the update process by me keeping my install backed up on an external drive, and just copy/pasting it over their base install (which can be done from the free trial version), since expansions don't have to be put into the Windows registry, their ROM folders just need to be present.

There is no moral objection from anyone I've offered this to. They bought the game, paid for the registration codes, and pay for their account. Buying a second copy for a second platform would give them an extra registration code they'd never use. It's like Windows, you pay for the registration code, not the install media. I can make as many copies of the ISO files Microsoft puts up on their site as I want, but they are useless without a registration code for each install. I pay for the registration codes when I buy from MS or DreamSpark, but I don't need a registration code to do the download.

No, I don't think you understand what piracy is. Making a copy of something, like a movie or a game or OS, then giving that copy away is piracy, therefor illegal. Money doesn't have to change hands for it to be piracy, though it does change how much money in reparations the suing party can get if it ever goes to court. Nor does prior ownership of either individual involved as then it comes down to proving that you own the copied material, and in the case of games with codes and OSes only one person will be able to make that claim. I'll not be a party to such behavior.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

No, I don't think you understand what piracy is. Making a copy of something, like a movie or a game or OS, then giving that copy away is piracy, therefor illegal. Money doesn't have to change hands for it to be piracy, though it does change how much money in reparations the suing party can get if it ever goes to court. Nor does prior ownership of either individual involved as then it comes down to proving that you own the copied material, and in the case of games with codes and OSes only one person will be able to make that claim. I'll not be a party to such behavior.

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sorry to say, but it's you who doesn't understand piracy and videogames. if you have purchased a copy of the game, it is legal to run any version of the game as if you were playing it for that one purchase. it becomes pirating when you've purchased 1 copy of the game and are running the same "copy" on two or more different clients at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

No, I don't think you understand what piracy is. Making a copy of something, like a movie or a game or OS, then giving that copy away is piracy, therefor illegal. Money doesn't have to change hands for it to be piracy, though it does change how much money in reparations the suing party can get if it ever goes to court. Nor does prior ownership of either individual involved as then it comes down to proving that you own the copied material, and in the case of games with codes and OSes only one person will be able to make that claim. I'll not be a party to such behavior.

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They are not saying to copy the disk. Let me explain from something in my experience. When I got Fallout 3:Game of the Year Edition I had a disk with it for all add-ons. Now I used this disk for myself, my younger cousin & my best friend who lived right down the street both had this game, and played it alot, however they had no DLC. I let them borrow the disk, no copying, no piracy, simply handed them the disk from my case as I no longer needed it. After this, they both downloaded the DLC, and happily had it, then returned the disk to me. This is what they speak of, nothing illegal unless its illegal to let my family & friends borrow games, if thats a case I am a horrible human being.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

No, I don't think you understand what piracy is. Making a copy of something, like a movie or a game or OS, then giving that copy away is piracy, therefor illegal.

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That "definition" would make xerox machines as illegal as heroin. Thankfully it's nonsense.

The game itself is not what you pay for, which would be ironic anyway, as it is entirely useless on its own. You pay for the codes to unlock content IDs, which are bundled with each purchase. Exchanging game copies is not illegal in any way, therefore not piracy.