we have not been the single most needed job for ten years running...at 75, sch and rdm were most needed for healing because they were more efficient at mp use, and newsflash, there's 5 more levels soon and 4 more beyond that later and sch has had 4 updates now relating to theirs, and whm has had none...it's not much to ask that we whms get a little manifesto love too...I'm not asking for the world, or to get everything we've requested, just a little heads up from the devs on whm's piece of the next 5-9 levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotek
Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto
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08-18-2011, 01:10 AMBubeeky
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08-18-2011, 01:16 AMUnctgtgTaru bite ankles: Careful lol Bubeeky just relax, people are playing internet tough guy.Quote:
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08-18-2011, 01:31 AMSotekIs this directed at me? I certainly hope not since if anything I've emphasized balance more than anything.Quote:
Thank you for not being one of the vocal "give me everything, and balance can home point!" Or worse, someone who doesn't remember meriphos or what else happened at 75. I appreciate it, and it I hope that Scholar gets more fun abilities outside of the new two hour stuff.
As for Lv.75, Scholar never replaced White Mage in Salvage, Nyzul or Merit Parties since it completely lacked Haste. Even then, what White Mage suffered was incredibly brief compared to what damn near every other DD in the game has gone through bar Samurai. Though even if I take your point seriously it's still completely moot; everything White Mage failed at is now either a completely redundant event or so much easier now you could bring a Dragoon/Samurai to main heal, meanwhile Scholar has - and probably always will - never truly amounted to much in any event. But don't worry, I'm sure Scholar would be fine if its only use in life was Storm spells and two spells from /Red Mage when it has access to top tier nukes etc.
Really, that's all Scholar ever amounted to when White Mage didn't get to come merit. On anything that mattered Scholar didn't have easy access to the gear (not that that matters anymore) to properly nuke and only got in thanks to Hailstorm, on something like Dynamis or Einherjar Gravityga was our saving grace and for some reason Phalanxga is and was an important thing, I do love making the easy life of a White Mages even easier. Three spells with only two of them native, this is why Scholar is getting attention and not a job that is in no way shape or form broken.
Oh and I'm not particularly against White Mage getting attention from the devs, you're just asking in the complete wrong place. They're going to get to every job eventually, even if they do have favorites they still give out details for every job when the time comes. Go be impatient elsewhere.
Always nice to see someone I've not even directed my wrath at resort to "interwebz tough guyz!1!11". No, I'm just right. White Mage doesn't need a fraction of the attention Scholar needs. Complaining that one very undermined job is getting more attention that what is currently the most vital job in the game is just ridiculous.Quote:
Taru bite ankles: Careful lol Bubeeky just relax, people are playing internet tough guy.
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08-18-2011, 01:42 AMLancerLeon
My question is, How accurate is this spell gonna be? Cause in the video Elemental Seal is used in both of them.
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08-18-2011, 01:44 AMUnctgtg
My point is, people need to stop trying to make sch replace whm, sch to replace rdm, and sch to replace blm. Sch was designed to switch between all three and support.
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08-18-2011, 01:46 AMUnctgtgMy only 2 jobs at 90 are drk and sch, and both need attention, I take what they give me, and see how to apply it and get the most out of the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotek
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08-18-2011, 01:55 AMMerton9999
Thanks Foxclon!
+1,000,000!
Merton looks incredible! Of course it has to since it was named after me :p I'm really excited now. -
08-18-2011, 02:30 AMSotekHaving Scholar replace White Mage is the communities choice. Hell, I can shout about this all day but the fact is I've replaced White Mage a few times anyway.Quote:
My point is, people need to stop trying to make sch replace whm, sch to replace rdm, and sch to replace blm. Sch was designed to switch between all three and support.
My point is the game should be balanced. White Mage has no competition currently, a completely ungeared one can trample over anyone who'd try. I've only ever managed because they outright left so I had to main heal, but the fact is I had to stand their and watch my enmity and spam Stratagems to the point of breaking, where as a White Mage just stands there and casts Cure V over and over. It's completely unbalanced and you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise. In an ideal world Scholar would be held in the same regard as both White and Black Mage (so help me if I have to explain once again that Scholar can't do both at the same time), not "the best Scholar ever made is just a bit better than the most brain dead White Mage alive" kind of situation we have now.
I'd love to hear how you're going to apply a lack of a secondary Curing spell towards bringing Scholar on - or slightly under - par with White Mage, or how you're going to take an outright "No" at Modus Veritas and make the ability work again.Quote:
My only 2 jobs at 90 are drk and sch, and both need attention, I take what they give me, and see how to apply it and get the most out of the job.
My only two jobs at Lv.90 are Dragoon and Scholar, as it stands my Dragoon does a better job of healing and dealing damage that everyone so hates Scholar for being able to do. 300+ Elemental Breath 700+ Healing Breath and 5,000+ damage in Weapon Skills and Jumps in roughly the same space of time it takes Scholar to use Rapture and cast Cure IV. Looks like I had to take a pick at people who think Scholar can do everything at once after all.
Really, just once I'd like someone to actually attempt to counter a point I make, rather than instantly resorting to "Scholar shouldn't be trying to replace everybody" or "White Mage didn't get invited to Merit Parties". Seriously, I make a post countering arguments such as "Cureskin really isn't that great" and "White Mage doesn't have MP efficiency" and all I get from it is "I was joking when I said Scholar has enmity spells" (which I honestly only quoted to belittle the spells themselves and offer an improvement, rather than counter a point). Maybe I'm completely wrong with everything I've said, but anyone who argues against me (or rather doesn't) does such a piss poor job at arguing back that I may as well be right. -
08-18-2011, 04:00 AMSkeith
I want to go to there.
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Originally Posted by Foxclon
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08-18-2011, 04:38 AMWinriea well geared BLM will always outdo a SCH, i one shot things in abyssea on BLM so how exactly is one spell for SCH going to replace a whole job? Yeah..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotek