Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Kazen

No, anyone in an ally not doing enough damage is a leech. In an 18 man group if one person is doing more than 50% of the work then everyone else there is a leech.

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So then 90% of all alliances I've built have 16/18 people leeching?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So then 90% of all alliances I've built have 16/18 people leeching?

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Sounds like that's his attitude, yes.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

No, anyone in an ally not doing enough damage is a leech. In an 18 man group if one person is doing more than 50% of the work then everyone else there is a leech. There is nothing you can say to question this, it's just a fact. Please note I have nothing against these people at all since I don't mind any leeches. I'm more than willing to contribute 75% of the work and I'm completely ok with that. If some random dude wants to be a gimp and leech... let him.

I'm more ok with the level 30 guy opening chests as he's allowing me to further increase my overall damage and the productiveness of the party.

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This ^.

If anything, I personally find it insulting when I see level 90 full Aurore Rngs hitting things with their Axe complaining about leeches; as if they're contributing anything at all. At least the level 30s are opening chests. Some of the absolutely terrible DDs (read: 99% of pickup parties, so this probably includes people against leeching) don't do anything at all but feed TP and pull mobs further away from the real DDs.

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Originally Posted by Sprieth

Zeitzone, I'm curious as to what you would think of a person who leeched their job from 30 - 90, then capped their skills, spent time getting good gear, reading up on how to play their job through the course of 2 weeks. Then is standing next to you as the same job, hitting the same mob and out damaging you. What would you say or do to this person?

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This is why most people here are complaining about leeches.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

The level 30 profits more from the chest as he deserved!

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The cost in cruor might beg to differ with that attitude.

Not really an attitude, it's just the truth. I never said it was all alliances that were like this. I'm just saying it's usually people like this that are arguing for the leech point and it's extremely ironic.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Not really an attitude, it's just the truth. I never said it was all alliances that were like this. I'm just saying it's usually people like this that are arguing for the leech point and it's extremely ironic.

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Definitely the truth. Most of the time all the work is done by 2-3 DD, 1-2 healers, and 1-2 pullers. All else in the alliance are generally not doing jack.

Well a last answer for today becouse you asked nice instead of flaming like the others.
Sure that person will do then a good job and you cant see the difference later, but still he got to 90 by leeching, and thats not right, why making so much levels in a game with so huge exp differences if then just open chests and get up multiple levels.
Then why even bothering with levels? Why not removing all levels and turn a MMORPG into an Action adventure.
Becouse if you can get with no risk to level 90 it is like you whould start the game with level 90.
In every RPG you need to desserve the levels by leveling up slowly.
Morrowind, Gothic, Breath od Fire, Wild Arms, Suikoden, Two Worlds....
Thats the main meening of a RPG. If you can get as quick to 90 as you can do it in Abyssea its no more a RPG, its just a Action Adventure/Hack n slash. Its like Playing Tomb Raider and collecting gems and guns to get stronger, and maybe some gear.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

In every RPG you need to desserve the levels by leveling up slowly.
Morrowind, Gothic, Breath od Fire, Wild Arms, Suikoden, Two Worlds....
Thats the main meening of a RPG. If you can get as quick to 90 as you can do it in Abyssea its no more a RPG, its just a Action Adventure/Hack n slash. Its like Playing Tomb Raider and collecting gems and guns to get stronger, and maybe some gear.

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We leveled slow for 6+ years. Now it's time to speed up.

Its still optional, no one is forcing you to exp like this.