Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Thats a different way of leeching, its grindleeching. Still someone needs to grind so you can leech.
But at Abyssea noone needs to grind. And the amount of exp is really to much.

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One kind of leeching is okay but another is not?

Also, if you had ever leeched at the colibri camp you'd know that it'd only take a few days of partying to get to 75. It's not that much longer than Abyssea.

Finally, when you leech in Abyssea it's not an alliance of 18 people level 30. There are people there doing the stabbing.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

One kind of leeching is okay but another is not?

Also, if you had ever leeched at the colibri camp you'd know that it'd only take a few days of partying to get to 75. It's not that much longer than Abyssea.

Finally, when you leech in Abyssea it's not an alliance of 18 people level 30. There are people there doing the stabbing.

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The Leeching by Colibry camp is alot slower and is limited by colibris, there was no chance to leech as fast as in Anyssea, not even half as fast, thats why noone is leeching anymore on colibris.

Abyssea is no challenge, not even for the ones who grind, well it is not even grinding, same as dynamis isnt grinding.
And the amount of exp the level 30 char receives is really to much.

An other way to solve the problem is to make the amount of exp in Abyssea level definded, so if its a level 30, minimum exp.

i see soo much complaining about leeching.. to be honest... no one really cares. atleast you shouldnt if the people leeching atleast take the time to brush themselves upto the standards required of them.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

SE didnt expect that so much ppl turn into Leechers and do nothing else.
SE didnt had a 3 Level cap for years out fo fun.
If SE turns this game into a Leechers game then i really lose any hope in SE and give up on FFXI, and im not the only one, so if SE ever made a statement that they want leeching i and some other 10000 players will instantly quit them accounts. And then you can enjoy your happy tree friends leeching game.
But SE can be sure that we will never again touch a game from Square Enix.
Becouse giving uns a grinder game for over 7 years and then turning it into a leechers place whold hurt the feelings of the grinders. Its like taking the game away from us.
And thats nothing we will accept happy.
So SE, i want you to make a statement, eighter you put a raised access to Abyssea level 70 and make the grinders happy.
Or you keep it 30/make it level 1 and make the leechers happy.
Anyways, whatever SE chose they will lose players.
So thats why they keep quiet so long. A directly answer whould make grinders or Leechers angry.
But grinders will not watch any longer without to see eighter one or the other, we want the game to be full grinder game or we leave.

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You should start looking for a new game then. Heres multiple reasons why:

1. The vast majority of players dont want to go back to the old pre-lvl sync grind. If you do away with abyssea leeching, you have to do away with level sync, its the only way to make exp "pure". I have no proof, but I'm willing to bet that over 95% of the population would be against going back to the 5k/hr days where it took hours just to find the proper jobs for a pt at your level.

2. Many of said older players will simply not level new jobs, some may even quit since abyssea exp wouldnt exist w/o chest leeches. You will be stuck in the same situation you are in right now. No one will craft low level gear since there is no profit in it.

3. SE is a business. SE caters to the majority of its playerbase. "Grinders" dont experience the vast majority of the game, all they do is exp. If SE catered to the grinders, why would they waste any time fixing stuff like dynamis when grinders wouldnt do it anyway.

4. FFXI is evolving. It has been since ToA. FFXI stopped being a grinding game once level sync was introduced into the game. Abyssea is just the end result of level sync.

Your anger at level sync is misplaced, you blame abyssea for the faults of level sync.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

You should start looking for a new game then. Heres multiple reasons why:

1. The vast majority of players dont want to go back to the old pre-lvl sync grind. If you do away with abyssea leeching, you have to do away with level sync, its the only way to make exp "pure". I have no proof, but I'm willing to bet that over 95% of the population would be against going back to the 5k/hr days where it took hours just to find the proper jobs for a pt at your level.

2. Many of said older players will simply not level new jobs, some may even quit since abyssea exp wouldnt exist w/o chest leeches. You will be stuck in the same situation you are in right now. No one will craft low level gear since there is no profit in it.

3. SE is a business. SE caters to the majority of its playerbase. "Grinders" dont experience the vast majority of the game, all they do is exp. If SE catered to the grinders, why would they waste any time fixing stuff like dynamis when grinders wouldnt do it anyway.

4. FFXI is evolving. It has been since ToA. FFXI stopped being a grinding game once level sync was introduced into the game. Abyssea is just the end result of level sync.

Your anger at level sync is misplaced, you blame abyssea for the faults of level sync.

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I have no problem with level synch, level synch in normal areas is ok, synching on the lowest level. That doesnt need to be removed.
And no, it arent 95% leechers, i bet its not even 50%. Its more grinders who want FFXI to be the old again.
So you always say grinders arent the majority, why do you lie to yourself, we are more than you think.
And as you say SE is a bussiness cooperation, so they think what them players want, players who played for 7 years, and most of them are grinders, so SE will not harm themselves.
And grinders do Dynamis, just becouse it is not grinding it doesnt meen that we dont do it. We like many ways of experiencing, but not leeching. Dynamis was fun and we could get nice gears there, we did it all the time.

And when you turn back to grinding sure armors will sell better again, becouse you cant grind without a proper gear.
And that makes crafting lucrative. Problem has been the Gil buying for crafting, that decarassed the prices becouse gil buyers didnt care for how much they sell stuff while crafting up, they were only interested in skill 100 to make the best gears and sell those for good prices. Or have them own names on it.

ToAUs level Synch was a level down synch and never harmed the grinding, it just opened the gate for new players, you still had to work same hard for your exp.
So dont mix ToAU in it. ToAU didnt harm the game.
It deffinitely started with Abyssea level 30 access.

The people issuing ultimatums here are the "Raise the cap or we quit" crowd. Right away that should tell you you really aren't going to get squat. I highly doubt anything regarding the Abyssea entry requirements will change at all; neither up nor down.

If you don't like the game the way it is right now, quit. No one's stopping you. No one's going to change the game to make you stay either.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

And no, it arent 95% leechers, i bet its not even 50%. Its more grinders who want FFXI to be the old again.
So you always say grinders arent the majority, why do you lie to yourself, we are more than you think.
And as you say SE is a bussiness cooperation, so they think what them players want, players who played for 7 years, and most of them are grinders, so SE will not harm themselves.

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If this is the case, and there are more people who want to go back to the old way of playing than people who like easy exp, then I dont know what your problem is. If theres really this many, you should have no problem finding parties.

The truth is that you are factually wrong. In your little circle where you only talk to like minded people, you might be right. But we both know that the vast majority of players like the way abyssea is now. It is blatantly obvious, or we wouldnt be having this argument.

You dont consider level sync a problem, do you just close your eyes and refuse to see what is right in front of you? You claim that abyssea killed the low level gear market, this is false. The truth is that since level sync was introduced, the vast majority of people ONLY SYNC TO COLLIBRI. Collibri are not hard to kill, you dont need top of the line gear for them. And even if you did, thats only a select few levels where you need gear. Level sync killed crafting, NOT abyssea, how many times does this need to be posted for people to understand.

I havent even taken smn burning into account, you dont even need gear for that.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The people issuing ultimatums here are the "Raise the cap or we quit" crowd. Right away that should tell you you really aren't going to get squat. I highly doubt anything regarding the Abyssea entry requirements will change at all; neither up nor down.

If you don't like the game the way it is right now, quit. No one's stopping you. No one's going to change the game to make you stay either.

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Thats what i am supposing to do if the game doesnt change back to normal, but atm im waiting if SE will finally come back to mind. As i said grinders will leave when Abyssea stays 30 or gets down to 1.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Thats what i am supposing to do if the game doesnt change back to normal, but atm im waiting if SE will finally come back to mind. As i said grinders will leave when Abyssea stays 30 or gets down to 1.

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Okay then. I dare say everybody wins.

As a crafter myself I agree with Ramsos. I made a massive profit on low level HQs until the introduction of Level Sync. I was making millions of gil on a weekly basis from Amemet Mantles+1 alone. After level sync was introduced the gear I crafted no longer sold on AH as it was no longer needed so I stopped making it. I now craft things like gobbie bag items for a modest 50k profit/synth just to pay for my consumables.

In short, stopping abyssea leeching will not and I repeat WILL NOT fix the AH problem you seem to think abyssea caused. I can say this with completely certainty that you have no clue what you're talking about.