Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Nacht

I was trying to make a joke. :(

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Oh. I suck :(

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm not sure I see your point at all. The initial assertion was that people level in fewer zones now than they did before Abyssea. I highly doubt Smn burning was included in their list either way. That said, so what if people are no longer merc'ing it as often? It still happens on my server if people want a sub leveled or somesuch; just with friends rather than merc groups (then again, Merc'ing burns was never very popular on my server).

Edit: @Beans, a-yup

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I rarely see SMN burns on my server much anymore. If people have a sub to lvl they'll leech it in abyssea, and I think they grind the old way to 30, but I could be wrong since I'm barely out of Abyssea myself.

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Originally Posted by Chronofantasy

I rarely see SMN burns on my server much anymore. If people have a sub to lvl they'll leech it in abyssea, and I think they grind the old way to 30, but I could be wrong since I'm barely out of Abyssea myself.

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Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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I have no idea honestly, I'm just going by what the guys in my LS said when they were burning their jobs up from 10-30. Also, I appear to be on the same server as Chronofantasy, so what he said applies about how people don't smn burn on quetz.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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If I was to fold on anything in this debate it would be this. I don't wanna imagine leveling magic skills after leaching a mage job to 90.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

If I was to fold on anything in this debate it would be this. I don't wanna imagine leveling magic skills after leaching a mage job to 90.

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Eh it wasn't so bad for me. I took RDM 37-90 after only having PLD and WHM at 75+ that could use common magic skills. With /SCH, tossing nukes out while I was healing parties 50+ capped my Elemental skill without much trouble. Dark was a pain in the ass, but it got there after a couple days of just using my Rdm and making sure to drain/aspir/bio stuff whenever timers were up.

Divine and Enfeebling are incredibly easy to cap with Hpemde. The only really annoying one is Healing magic, which doesn't really affect too much that I know of anyways.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Okay. I'm asking for a list that doesn't involve solo exp, because the "Problem" with Abyssea is that it prevents group EXP. What areas were people partying in en masse before Abyssea (but after all other previous Expansions/Updates, Abyssea MUST be the isolated cause) that people no longer party in?

Random camps that people went off to explore in on occasion don't count either, because people still do this post-Abyssea.

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no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Level Sync destroyed the balance you're thinking of, not Abyssea. People only needed 3 sets past Qufim Island (where you could exp naked and be effective); East Ronfaure [S] set, Wajaom Woodlands/Bhaflau 55-65 set, and 75+ set.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Why is that a problem?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The only really annoying one is Healing magic, which doesn't really affect too much that I know of anyways.

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350 healing skill adds about 50 base hp to cure5 compared to 0 skill, so... no, it doesn't really do much.