Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

This change SE proposed is not enough. I want drops to be 100% and ideally have the NM fights as optional.

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

This change SE proposed is not enough. I want drops to be 100% and ideally have the NM fights as optional.

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Lols I agree people want things too easy, I guess I just want people to realize its not gonna be lets turn my gorgets into corscantis is why I replied to this thread not to mention even if they can no word that we'll be seeing these changes in december i'm betting at the earliest.

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

This change SE proposed is not enough. I want drops to be 100% and ideally have the NM fights as optional.

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lol^

Anyway, I know it's not likely but I see people talking about the fact that you most likely won't be able to trade "up" on items. There is always the possibility that X number of lower tickets could be converted into higher ranking gear say you get like 20 chakram's or something then you'd be eligible for turning in for a harness, I don't think they're gonna make it as easy as oh hey heres 6 chakrams I can get a harness now, though it's my guess that the bodies for all 3 T3 jeuno will be on the same ticket and getting a duplicate of any of the three will help out towards one of the others etc. Chakarm = lolAkvanheadband = Mantis Eye? something like that,

Can it please be a KEY ITEM my inventory issues drive me insane as it is with all the silly abyssea seals I love the idea anything is better than what it is today but having to hold multiple items in our limited storage space already has me as a sad panda...

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Originally Posted by Tinuviel

This change SE proposed is not enough. I want drops to be 100% and ideally have the NM fights as optional.

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Riddle me this Tinu, How exactly would this improve anything if the only thing my 6 Chakrams could turn into was another Chakram? So i can give my friend a Chakram? Unless he's been living in a hole he probably has 8 Chakram tokens himself too.

Its not to say I'm not ecstatic about this update, Its just if its implemented wrongly, It will literally change very little to absolutely nothing.

How often would you imagine someone with Coruscanti gets a second Coruscanti, What are the odds he's even continuing to fight Qilin after obtaining his first? I'm just trying to point out, People have the right to be skeptical, when if implemented incorrectly, this could change absolutely nothing.

Don't mistake cautiousness for ungratefulness amongst some of these replies. True, Some people here really are just whining because they want 100% Drops, but few of us are just cautious because of the wording.

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Originally Posted by Camate

• In the event that a rare/ex item drops to you when you already possess the item, it will be possible to exchange that item for a ticket (name pending)
• Once you obtain a certain amount of these tickets, it will be possible to exchange them for a rare/ex item of your choice.
  *There will be different types of tickets for different items and you will need to collect the respective ticket for the item you would like.
  *The required number of tickets is still being looked into and there is a possibility of change, but currently we estimate it to be about 5~6.
• Tickets will be tradable and sellable.

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Just as a clarification, you can only get a tickets by exchanging something you already have? So this ticket exchange will happen at the chest? Or can you trade any unwanted item to an NPC to receive tickets?

Eg. Lets say you get the body from Hahava, but wanted the body from Celano, would you be able to trade that first Hahava body in, or would you have to wait to get a 2nd?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Riddle me this Tinu, How exactly would this improve anything if the only thing my 6 Chakrams could turn into was another Chakram? So i can give my friend a Chakram? Unless he's been living in a hole he probably has 8 Chakram tokens himself too.

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Love the signature,

In my previous post I touched on possiblities for this (if you hadn't read yet due to typing yours or something).

I can see it just taking more tickets of a lesser item to get a higher item.

Example: 20 Chakrams or 20 Headbands or 20 Mantis Eye = 1 Body


Also I believe that tiers will be linked

Example:

Akvan / Kaggen / Pil's Bodies will all = the same ticket type.


(this part I didn't really touch on) Also let's say you're spamming t6 to upgrade empys and you start getting multiplie ra/ex drops from those, considering they're all "higher" level gear you could in theorey turn those ra/ex items into lower ranking gear if you so desired.

Example: Ogier's Surcoat x6 = Toci's Harness or whatever lower item you're after.


These are just my thoughts on how things will work.... or how they should work... we'll see what happens eh?

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Originally Posted by DrForester

Just as a clarification, you can only get a tickets by exchanging something you already have? So this ticket exchange will happen at the chest? Or can you trade any unwanted item to an NPC to receive tickets?

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Storage NPC for Voidwatch items that isn't a porter moogle and when trading a duplicate you get the ticket? Yes, Please! Inventory is already hurting, most the stuff I get that I don't want gets shipped off to a mule I'd never actually havei t laying around to get a duplicate of.

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Originally Posted by Elgorian

Love the signature,

In my previous post I touched on possiblities for this (if you hadn't read yet due to typing yours or something).

I can see it just taking more tickets of a lesser item to get a higher item.

Example: 20 Chakrams or 20 Headbands or 20 Mantis Eye = 1 Body


Also I believe that tiers will be linked

Example:

Akvan / Kaggen / Pil's Bodies will all = the same ticket type.


(this part I didn't really touch on) Also let's say you're spamming t6 to upgrade empys and you start getting multiplie ra/ex drops from those, considering they're all "higher" level gear you could in theorey turn those ra/ex items into lower ranking gear if you so desired.

Example: Ogier's Surcoat x6 = Toci's Harness or whatever lower item you're after.


These are just my thoughts on how things will work.... or how they should work... we'll see what happens eh?

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See, that was my original idea/thought too. (I posted it here in this thread somewhere...)

That tickets may work in a "Tier" System, I.E

Eye = Tier 1
Belt = Tier 2
Body = Tier 3

And You get a "Tier 1 Ticket" for every Chakram, Only exchangeable for other Tier 1 tickets (Chakram, Gerra's Staff, Etc). Still, Without a way to exchange the lower tickets for higher tier tickets, It would change very little. I don't actually know anyone who's gotten 2 bodies. I know it happens, But quite rarely, Double for people getting Borealis or Coruscanti twice. Obtaining 6 Coruscanti Tickets, If the only way to get one was from a Owner getting a duplicate, Would be years of effort, Probably better spent spamming Qilins >_>

Still, I say, It is in improvement, But as the rest of my previous post states, If implemented incorrectly, It'll be like going from 1%, to 1.1%. While an improvement, It'd be a lot of wasting development time and potential for something negligible in usefulness.

I pretty much think they're going to have it be a tiered system like you say. I wonder how much this helps, as you would only get tickets if you have the item in your possession already, and it sounds like you'd need multiples to get the item you want.

Until, we get more news on tiers of ticket or how its catagorized (we know they are since camate said Item of the players choice meaning tickets can trade for multiple things in some way shape or form) we are mostly grabbing at straws. A note I wanted to make however, in terms of tickets only coming from items you duplicates of. I think it should be allowed for the first drop as well, not for the sake of "i don't want drop so sell it" as much as there is so much VW gear and much of it is on a mule. Additionally, this means you have to save all VW drops wether junk or not, and all on the character doing the run. (this doesn't even count ticket space either this is just the gear itself) Finally, if the DEVs decide to make a VW/Abyssea moogle slip Athos/ace's/serpentine etc. it means players wouldn't be able to make use of that either, having to retrieve all drops from a particular NM each run. Otherwise, I think the ticket idea is sound.

i for one am glad for the break from vw, i get to build stones till this is implemented.

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Wait just one minute.

So, basically, you're saying that you need 5~6 people with Coruscantis to obtain a second Coruscanti in order to pool the tickets necessary to trade in for a single Coruscanti?

That is to say, the bodies and daggers are still lost, but only 83% lost instead of 100% lost? That's assuming if and only if the item is already possessed by the mule/character in question?

The latter clause is the real kicker in all of this. They've very explicitly said no (so much so that it had to be mentioned twice). I don't care to argue about it. I'm just tired.

I only do Voidwatch in the first place because I enjoy killing things with friends. I don't expect it to be rewarding. Apparently, that isn't really going to change as much as I'd hoped. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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Camate I understand where the dev's are going with this, but it's not a good idea to make a separate ticket for each item. Make one for each NM and make the items redeemable with larger number of tickets. This is due to certain equipment simply not existing, ex: the weapons from the Zilart VWNMs.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Wait just one minute.

So, basically, you're saying that you need 5~6 people with Coruscantis to obtain a second Coruscanti in order to pool the tickets necessary to trade in for a single Coruscanti?

That is to say, the bodies and daggers are still lost, but only 83% lost instead of 100% lost? That's assuming if and only if the item is already possessed by the mule/character in question?

The latter clause is the real kicker in all of this. They've very explicitly said no (so much so that it had to be mentioned twice). I don't care to argue about it. I'm just tired.

I only do Voidwatch in the first place because I enjoy killing things with friends. I don't expect it to be rewarding. Apparently, that isn't really going to change as much as I'd hoped. Oh well.

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SE couldn't resist the Jackass Genie call, it seems. :(

Thanks for the clarification Camate.

Evil Genie :(

Camate, Can you ask them, Instead of this system which will have no noticeable beneficial effect, Can you instead have it be based on the NM, and make it A Tier system or require much higher Tickets for a high end item? in essence, This reduces their effort. For instance, if it was a Amount ticket system,

Chakram = 5 Tickets
Belt = 15 Tickets
Body = 30 Tickets

This would require some good amount of effort, But still more realistic a goal then happening upon some guy who's tossing his 6th Mekira body... Or if you went a Tier Route, Make it like DOminion Trophies... In a way, 5 Level 1 Tickets = 1 Level 2 Ticket, or something. Anything other than this.

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On second thought, I'm going to keep the above as my last suggestion to the Evil Genie that is Square Enix, and I'm tired of being tricked. Fool me once... and so forth

This System will help some people get Chakrams and Mantis Eyes, but won't help anyone outside of that, and its ultimately a waste of time and development in its current state. I mean, its still an improvement, But in the same way that Being Kicked in the Face is an Improvement over being kicked in the Sack.

But Camate, Thanks in the end really, You've shown they're definitely listening, I just wish they listened... a bit better. Thank you truly for your clarification ^^

Can the devs mess up a wet dream anymore, really this is starting to get really funny.

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I only do Voidwatch in the first place because I enjoy killing things with friends. I don't expect it to be rewarding. Apparently, that isn't really going to change as much as I'd hoped. Oh well.

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Admittedly this is why I do VWNM as well. Its a fun challenging LS event that lets me play COR finally (after 2 years hibernating). I view these equipment rewards as the cherry on top. Great if you get it, but I'm not losing sleep, nor am I spamming fights and hoping to run into a favorable RNG. It's a bide your time activity until SE comes up with content that is engaging and gives one a sense of progress.

it's nice that the lucky bastards that win the lottery twice get an item that will likely have good value. Its at least incentive to keep doing the same fights once you obtain your gear. Still doesn't help the luck challenged at all.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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LOVEIT!

so happy the whiners arent getting stuff handed to them.

hopefully some of them will quit, now that the dev team isnt bending for them... thx camate<3

So nice to see a company having to merge with other companies every 10 years or so because they run the brands into the ground.

Whiteknight all you want to when you are left with a game thayt stops getting new content you will have to blame SE or will you follow Tanaka that blame the players for not seeing his great vision.

Terrible !

The only reason I have an issue with this is if you want to help someone else obtain an item, it requires that you keep an unwanted item in your inventory/storage/whatever, taking up space, in order to obtain the exchange tickets.

We should be able to just pass on ever obtaining the item at all and be able to take the ticket instead.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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I speak for virtually everyone when I say this is a HUGE disappointment, and thank you SE for lifting us up a little, only to turn around and crush what little hope you had just built up. This isn't directed at camate, since I know he's just the messenger, but I feel that SE has really lost touch with the playerbase and their own game as a whole. With so many VW drops, MOST of these tickets will just end up getting tossed due to inventory issues anyway. Honestly, development in creating 200-300 new "tickets" is just a complete waste of time that could be spent on something useful... wait, I shouldnt have said that... MORE NERFS INCOMING!

This hasn't even been implemented yet and people are complaining. I've never seen a bunch of people on a forum in all my Internet days with such a jive. They didn't have to change a thing and people would still keep playing it. Why? XI is still better than 99% of MMOs.

Sometimes I feel like the boards are a bad idea completely. The vast majority of people, at least on my server, avoid this forum because of all the negativity posted by a dozen or so same people. This vast majority also does not share the same views at all. This same group whined hard about the new WS, but it turned out the new WS were mostly pretty good and better than what's already there...

I think this system will just cause inventory issues for whoever is lucky (or unlucky?) enough to always get body drops such that they're constantly dropping them. Especially since it seems it will be 1 type of card per item. I've personally never gotten a VW body to drop, even a crappy one I'd never use, but I only do VW 3 days out of the week.

I won't complain about this change since it likely will never affect me, but it seems horribly over complicated for what miniscule benefit it gives.

Anewie, plz don't b too harsh on them ^^ They just dont c Tanaka-sans vision for our FFXI. plz every1 just give some time n u will realize how great this game is and will b ^^

I blame this anger on poor communication and overactive imaginations. People thought they were getting a pizza based on the shape of the box and when they opened it there was a frizbee inside. Nothing wrong with frizbees as long you weren't already salivating over the thought of a pizza.

The only downside I see to this is that if someone only want's faijin boots or something similar they can just buy them now instead of participating in the fights but at least the Coru and Toci spammers can sell the lower tier items that they get bombarded with while not getting what they want. MORE CONSOLATION PRIZES!!!

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

I blame this anger on poor communication and overactive imaginations. People thought they were getting a pizza based on the shape of the box and when they opened it there was a frizbee inside. Nothing wrong with frizbees as long you weren't already salivating over the thought of a pizza.

The only downside I see to this is that if someone only want's faijin boots or something similar they can just buy them now instead of participating in the fights but at least the Coru and Toci spammers can sell the lower tier item's that they get bombarded with while not getting what they want. MORE CONSOLATION PRIZES!!!

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Oh well, Theres always a chance the may re-evaluate it.

Conversation? not in my thread

They're listening, They just need a little more of a push. I'm not asking to be handed the items, But a realistic goal could be nice...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Oh well, Theres always a chance the may re-evaluate it.

Conversation? not in my thread

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Abandon all hope ye who ect. ect. ect. After this long I'm just accepting that VW is supposed to be the land of perpetual disappointment. Until they add a new source of HMPs (probably never) they have to make sure people keep spamming T3s and who does these things for anything but the rare rewards anymore?

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Abandon all hope ye who ect. ect. ect. After this long I'm just accepting that VW is supposed to be the land of perpetual disappointment. Until they add a new source of HMPs (probably never) they have to make sure people keep spamming T3s and who does these things for anything but the rare rewards anymore?

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Considering the 99 Relic "Glow" Trial, They should change the "Don't forget your Friends, Family, School or work" when you log in to "Abandon all hope, Ye who enter here".

Seems more fitting, it feels like we're losing touch with that :(

"Remember not to neglect you familiy, friends, or work. But if you really want to... HAVE I GOT A TRIAL FOR YOU!!"

Greetings, everyone!

First of all, I want to thank you all for participating in this thread. We are glad to see that many of you are still passionate about the mechanics of the game. However, making comments to personally attack each other will not be tolerated. If such behavior continues, we will be forced to close the thread. I know that tempers can flare when debating your point of views, but please do keep in mind that we are all here to try to create the best gaming community we can. We are all in this together! Thanks again, and good luck to all of you!

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

"Remember not to neglect you familiy, friends, or work. But if you really want to... HAVE I GOT A TRIAL FOR YOU!!"

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LoL.. "Sorry James, Killing Arch Dynamis Lord, I'll make lunch tomorrow" >_>

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Originally Posted by Baccanale

Greetings, everyone!

First of all, I want to thank you all for participating in this thread. We are glad to see that many of you are still passionate about the mechanics of the game. However, making comments to personally attack each other will not be tolerated. If such behavior continues, we will be forced to close the thread. I know that tempers can flare when debating your point of views, but please do keep in mind that we are all here to try to create the best gaming community we can. We are all in this together! Thanks again, and good luck to all of you!

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Thank you for your time and effort. Hope we don't make your job too difficult.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Camate I understand where the dev's are going with this, but it's not a good idea to make a separate ticket for each item. Make one for each NM and make the items redeemable with larger number of tickets. This is due to certain equipment simply not existing, ex: the weapons from the Zilart VWNMs.

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Not even. Keep the tickets general. As it stands, there are still certain VW mobs that people will never do after getting there clears. For example: I was hoping this ticket thing would allow me to get Rubeus boots because lets face it, there aren't 18 ppl clamoring to fight this nm over and over (like they do with Pil/Kaggen/wtvr).

Sincerly,
Another-dissappointed-player

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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Your more likely to get the item before you can get all the tickets needed, because anyone doing a run would be selling their tickets for millions of gil. i really wish it was based of the Monster with each item costing a a certain number of tickets

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hey everyone.

I followed up with the development team to get an answer as to whether or not you need to already possess the rare/ex item to obtain a ticket. They said that you will in fact need to have the item in your possession and they are not planning to make it so you can give a ticket to someone else when you could obtain the actual item.

Also, to clarify the original post; each piece of gear will have their own ticket (and I've amended the original post for clarity). I've also seen questions about "will this apply to Heavy Metal Plates, too?" and the answer is no, this is currently planned for equipment pieces only.

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Can you relay to the devs to not even bother putting in the time to implement this system? It's a waste of their resources. Just let VW eventually wither and die, along with the chance for moderately dedicated individuals to upgrade their empyrean weapons past level 90.

Everybody wants an "Easy" button. Sit in Jeuno chatting and being handed all teh gilz.

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Originally Posted by JiltedValkyrie

Everybody wants an "Easy" button. Sit in Jeuno chatting and being handed all teh gilz.

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Very few of us are asking for an Easy Button. We're asking for something a little more than what they're offering. We're thankful for what they're given us, We're just suggesting alternatives, That retain difficulty.

The idea that it be divided per mob would be better... or per Tier, Just give us a higher goal (i>E turn in 20 instead of 5) to maintain "Rarity"