Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Sagian

I really don't have a problem with the method people use to level their jobs. In fact, I think it's fine for jobs where the skills for that job may already be capped, or at least close to capped. If you've got capped skills, then you probably know what you're doing or can figure it out.

The problem is, Abyssea consumes nearly the entire player population, making it almost impossible to find, or even form, a party in a reasonable amount of time. There is no incentive to form a regular party post-level 30. Abyssea has drained and broken every other battle endeavor in the game. Regular parties are dead. Campaign is dead. Besieged is dead, etc.

The level-floor needs to be raised, not to punish people who want to burn a job, but to re-purpose the areas and systems that were in place long before Abyssea made them obsolete.

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Higher level parties were already rare before Abyssea came out and spending hours to look after a party didn't seem unusual.

I'm hoping they'll keep revamping the game like they did with Abyssea, so you can be more productive and not get the feeling you have to work yourself up in levels because the game says so. They're changing Campaign and Dynamis, both which I think greatly needs changes since they're both outdated by today's standards. If anything I hope they make TOAU more friendly for either solo or low man parties to level up in those zones.

i believe the main reason why there are hardly any low level parties is that there are hardly any low levels anymore T.T.

SE needs to make EXP chains start at Decent challenges. Also make the time required in between chains to keep it going longer~ that way low man parties or even solo can make a decent amount of exp T.T

that's just my thought

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Originally Posted by Solonuke

Higher level parties were already rare before Abyssea came out and spending hours to look after a party didn't seem unusual.

I'm hoping they'll keep revamping the game like they did with Abyssea, so you can be more productive and not get the feeling you have to work yourself up in levels because the game says so. They're changing Campaign and Dynamis, both which I think greatly needs changes since they're both outdated by today's standards. If anything I hope they make TOAU more friendly for either solo or low man parties to level up in those zones.

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I'm just going to chalk it up to another bit of poor planning by SE. Old content should have been revamped pre-Abyssea. It would not have been difficult to predict what was going to happen when you open areas that give insane XP and equipment.

I'm hoping they continue to try to fix this somehow. I never thought I would say this, but I actually miss Garlaige Citadel, Crawlers Nest, etc.

You know something is wrong when a level 60 doesn't even know where Garlaige Citadel is.

I disagree. If people want to KH then that's fine. Really it's not going to bother you or anyone else. Only a rare few people actually show their failure. Nothing to worry about. Shouldn't waste your time trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing.

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Originally Posted by Sagian

I'm just going to chalk it up to another bit of poor planning by SE. Old content should have been revamped pre-Abyssea. It would not have been difficult to predict what was going to happen when you open areas that give insane XP and equipment.

I'm hoping they continue to try to fix this somehow. I never thought I would say this, but I actually miss Garlaige Citadel, Crawlers Nest, etc.

You know something is wrong when a level 60 doesn't even know where Garlaige Citadel is.

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I could probably list up a whole amount of people who haven't been in the [S] zones yet, plus people who don't know where White Gate is.

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Originally Posted by Solonuke

I could probably list up a whole amount of people who haven't been in the [S] zones yet, plus people who don't know where White Gate is.

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These people have existed forever.
Pre-Abyssea it was not difficult to find various, gimpy geared people, at level 70+, who hardly know any Exp Camps outside of Qufim/Dunes. Level Sync was gimping idiots far before Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by rog

They aren't starting now, we've been leeching exp for years with chigoe, and astral burns anyway. Don't pretend free exp didn't exist prior to abyssea.

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Fair enough, there will always be leeches. And yes, no one will argue that there's not plenty of 'free exp' as you call it. While I doubt you will, I beseech you to examine the number of people actually doing it and reconsider your position. The problem I and others have with abyssea leeching is not that it's possible, but that it's so trivial to do. Unless you've got some linkshell full of summoners, it's not exactly easy to come across 4 of them.

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Originally Posted by Bahamut_Norm

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OMG!! Abyssea is OVER 9000!!

Easy to see that people don't know what the hell they want. Easy exp! Earned exp! Easy seals! No hard to earn seals! I want to solo! Noooo Game imbalance! *ramble ramble ramble* :P

Cest la vie (that's life), some like the hard way others like to take the easy way. Personally I like the hard way, got maats pre smn burns and abyssea (yes I want a cookie), but I can see why people would want to take the easy way. They should however have the common sense to solo their skills / buy spells afterwards so they aren't lv 90 while lv 10 skill in their main hand weapon etc. :P

Raising the level cap may seem like it would fix the no gear on the ah, gimp players and what not, but sadly the reality is, if they took this away all they would do would be a shift to smn burning lv sync'ing to fast camps etc. It would sadly solve nothing. If a player is going to be lazy, level up fast, and play with gimp ass skills; they're going to do it regardless of what enforcements you put in place.

I agree players should know the basics of their job and actually play through rather than level up their locksmithing skills, but you can't enforce your ways on another player. In the end they'll keep playing how they want :P

FFXI + Aby = Overnight Lvl90 n00b FTW