[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Afania

What else do you expect? I can't change your opinion about a shield WAR, nor have interest to. I did point out it's an ineffective way to play the game math wise, but if you don't accept it then it's none of my business. It's your money and time after all.

Also it seems that you often like to force your own opinion on others and sugarcoat it into "justice" without realizing it. You're allowed to criticize others for disapproving shield WAR, you're allowed to be intolerant toward others because they're intolerant. And you do all that because everyone else is "narrowed minded", without realizing that you're not all that different.

It seems that you're no different from the ppl you disapprove of, IMO.

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No because I recognize your right not to group with a shield warrior if you don't want to. So it's not nearly the same as you thinking they have no right to be in a group at all because of how they play.

I only ask that you not criticize them for it or suggest they should never join any content outside of role playing because you view them as leeches...

And I don't really think that's too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No because I recognize your right not to group with a shield warrior if you don't want to. So it's not nearly the same as you thinking they have no right to be in a group at all because of how they play.

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They only have right if others accept them, only the pt member can give them right to be in their group, so that's the same....I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make anymore.

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Originally Posted by Afania

A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.

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No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

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Originally Posted by Afania

They only have right if others accept them, only the pt member can give them right to be in their group, so that's the same....I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make anymore.

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And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

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What I mean was, if you're duoing something with a RDM and a WAR, you will clear the content faster if the WAR use GA. If the WAR change to a shield, they you'd kill slower and clear the content slower.

How is it not a fact that WAR with a GA clear the content faster than a shield WAR?

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Originally Posted by Dale

And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

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Except this isn't just me? There are way more players that's not interested in clearing the content in 40 min instead of 20.

I also find it silly that you continue to say "Afania don't approve a shield WAR". When's the last time you see someone /shouting for a shield WAR?

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

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Originally Posted by Afania

What I mean was, if you're duoing something with a RDM and a WAR, you will clear the content faster if the WAR use GA. If the WAR change to a shield, they you'd kill slower and clear the content slower.

How is it not a fact that WAR with a GA clear the content faster than a shield WAR?

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It is likely that a Warrior with a GA would clear content faster than a warrior wearing a shield. Yes. But that isn't what you said. And that doesn't mean a warrior with a shield is always going to be a leech and slow down a party.

Again: you assume the ideal job set up to defeat content the quickest is always present and use this fantasy to assume other jobs and play styles will be a detriment to the group. Which isn't even close to being true and certainly isn't a fact.

Anyways, at this point of time I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore, go ahead and enjoy playing with a shield WAR! In reality they won't get invited to PUG most of the time unless their friends enjoys clearing the content slower with them!

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Originally Posted by Dale

It is likely that a Warrior with a GA would clear content faster than a warrior wearing a shield. Yes. But that isn't what you said. And that doesn't mean a warrior with a shield is always going to be a leech and slow down a party.

Again: you assume the ideal job set up to defeat content the quickest is always present and use this fantasy to assume other jobs and play styles will be a detriment to the group. Which isn't even close to being true and certainly isn't a fact.

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After 5 pages of argument, you still failed to explain HOW a shield WAR is an effective playstyle, except "My friend's shield WAR is good". Not convincing at all.

Did you notice that you're the only one advocating "Shield WAR won't slow down the group" in this entire thread? If your opinion is correct, I'd see more players supporting your opinion about WAR using a shield.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

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I hope you do not really believe this. Because if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And I refer to you as Afania because that is your name and who I am talking to you. You aren't some entity who speaks for the greater community. Me or none of my friends would have any problems playing with a shield warrior so long as they played well and worked as a team. Not everyone thinks as you do. And the majority opinion is often the silent one, so please don't try and use shouts in Jueno as some evidence that your opinions are somehow more important than mine.