[dev1049] Petition - Make entropy stronger

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Originally Posted by Zemarin

Then what makes it even MORE retarded about ppl QQING about DRK is that GREAT SWORD Actually brings DRK damage back up... so its not even QQing about the lack of DPS on DRK its drk's QQing cause they can't use SCYTHE to play like Warriors. So stupid.. whole drk thread is stupid.. if you hate drk so much just quit it.

Unlike Most DD's Drk's have options and utility... and if you don't wanna Cast on a Job that has MP... why would you even bother playing it? It's not hard to understand that Drk's augment their melee potential thru magic rather than Job abilities.

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Oh I've been saying that for a while now.
Some of the people in here are so arrogant and think they know "the correct" way to play it then go cry about the job being broken in some aspects like the magical side and doing anything but "WS - Hit fast - WS".

Guess what, you can't say there is a correct way to play something that's broken that doesn't make sense.
You can say that the physical side of drk was much stronger then the magical side and so in true playerbase mentality the best way it was applyed was tru the haste zerg 2hr hit spam, and it was so good now they won't accept anything else unless it takes them back to that.

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Originally Posted by Zemarin

Then what makes it even MORE retarded about ppl QQING about DRK is that GREAT SWORD Actually brings DRK damage back up... so its not even QQing about the lack of DPS on DRK its drk's QQing cause they can't use SCYTHE to play like Warriors. So stupid.. whole drk thread is stupid.. if you hate drk so much just quit it.

Unlike Most DD's Drk's have options and utility... and if you don't wanna Cast on a Job that has MP... why would you even bother playing it? It's not hard to understand that Drk's augment their melee potential thru magic rather than Job abilities.

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wait seriously, what spell does that? I've been trying to find it for years

Absorb STR ~Vit ~ Agi ~ INt - Endark -Absorb Attri can steal Beserk - Absorb Acc Dread Spikes Absorb TP maybe you should try checking ur spell list Or invest in buying these spells.

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Originally Posted by Zemarin

Absorb STR ~Vit ~ Agi ~ INt - Endark -Absorb Attri can steal Beserk - Absorb Acc Dread Spikes Absorb TP maybe you should try checking ur spell list Or invest in buying these spells.

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I can get 100tp in the time it takes to cast any of those spells and I promise you my 4 swings + WS do more damage then the result of any of them.

I'm all for casting, there was plenty of reason to cast spells at 75, now there is none.

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Originally Posted by Rohelius

Oh I've been saying that for a while now.
Some of the people in here are so arrogant and think they know "the correct" way to play it then go cry about the job being broken in some aspects like the magical side and doing anything but "WS - Hit fast - WS".

Guess what, you can't say there is a correct way to play something that's broken that doesn't make sense.
You can say that the physical side of drk was much stronger then the magical side and so in true playerbase mentality the best way it was applyed was tru the haste zerg 2hr hit spam, and it was so good now they won't accept anything else unless it takes them back to that.

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The correct way to play is one that accomplishes the most in the shortest amount of time. Nothing DRK cast besides stun and a prebuff endark does that.

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

The correct way to play is one that accomplishes the most in the shortest amount of time. Nothing DRK cast besides stun and a prebuff endark does that.

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

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Aparrently not

According to the thread drks are useless... I guess i should get on monk thread and start QQin about monks not having a puppet to follow it around and cure it..

Or pups not having coounter stance.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

If you were building an alliance and you could pick from one DRK that likes to cast debuffs and drain with mediocure damage, and one that full out DDs for good damage but doesn't bother to ever cast which would you pick?

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I do not have a "He sucks" list.
I do not go around telling people how to play their jobs in-game, i do however relay strategies and tactics to make it clear to anyone when its okay to back off and cast and when to zerg.
I thought that was how this game worked team work and communication, not "lol u suck /kickmember"

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Originally Posted by Taint2

/facepalm

If it takes a relic to make the job work there might be something wrong.

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Judging by this you think DRK with no relic doesn't work, so that gives me some insight as to why you say DRK is broken but you are happy with what it can do for you. basically no relic = your doing it wrong so that hypothetical
scenario i just answered falls on def ears :/

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Originally Posted by Taint2

I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR. The job works fine for me.

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Your tanking in tanking gear that means your precious DPS goes out the window!? sacrilegious according to all the Xhit or gtfo threads.
I fully agree with the argument that DRK can do more then just xhit WS spam you apparently know this, but just because relic makes it better doesn't mean that no relic automatically makes it suck.

@zemarin: I cast many of the absorb spells(mostly TP for WS and semi-restricting the mob's moves, VIT to slightly increase dmg, STR for the not Torcleaver WS, Attri for the obvious, ACC and DEX for the obvious) but other than attri and TP, they aren't really worth much casting. I wish they made a bigger impact on the fight so that they would be more useful. and yes, a DRK that can't stun is a lousy DRK.

I chose DRK for the fact that it was a warrior that had magic. However, SE's implementation of this was terribly constructed. They need to take a look at DnD Player's Handbook II(3.5 Edition) and look up the class Duskblade. That is precisely how DRK should work(it is even very DRK itself! has a spell that sacrifices HP for more DMG/swing!)

I don't hate drk. It's my absolute favorite job. always has been. however, when +90% of it's spells are useless and it's DPS is outshone greatly by other DDs that it used to be very competitive with, it's very saddening for me. Especially with Tachi: Godmode(Shoha) that's making Masamune useless(has been tested by a LS mate with masa and says Kikugosaku with a 4hit build greatly out damages Masamune/Fudo[4k+ normals 7k+ highs at 100tp; yeah Tanaka is definitely showing which jobs he loves and hates right now]).

As for me, I have to have to either have 200tp or use SE to hit those #s on Resolution, which is not fair imo with the fact that SAM can just pop those out every few seconds and have no drawback. I digress though, because again Tanaka is back and he is gay for sam and a raging troll against SMN DRK and all those other neglected/rejected/abused jobs.

BALANCE!

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I don't QQ about DRK, I'll step into any VW fight in a PDT set and tank that sucker while the average DRK melees in twilight for access to RR (because they don't have apocalypse). The job works fine for me.

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Had to add something .

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Originally Posted by Rohelius

I do not have a "He sucks" list.
I do not go around telling people how to play their jobs in-game, i do however relay strategies and tactics to make it clear to anyone when its okay to back off and cast and when to zerg.
I thought that was how this game worked team work and communication, not "lol u suck /kickmember"



Judging by this you think DRK with no relic doesn't work, so that gives me some insight as to why you say DRK is broken but you are happy with what it can do for you. basically no relic = your doing it wrong so that hypothetical
scenario i just answered falls on def ears :/


Your tanking in tanking gear that means your precious DPS goes out the window!? sacrilegious according to all the Xhit or gtfo threads.
I fully agree with the argument that DRK can do more then just xhit WS spam you apparently know this, but just because relic makes it better doesn't mean that no relic automatically makes it suck.

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I do keep track of players that suck and those that dont, its important esp now with VW being the focus.

I never once mentioned you need an Apoc, it does help, but I tank just fine using Caladborg when GS is a proc. Keeping hate and proper support are what makes a DRK tank work.

Ofcourse I tank in tank gear. I also have a proper xhit and DD gear for when I'm trying to regain hate or when temps are up.