[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

Seeing as Kindred seals cannot drop more than once per 5 minutes unless you form an alliance in which case it is 3 drops per 5 minutes maximum, and considering it is subject to treasure hunter, I say 99 kindred seals require a minimum of 3 hours with super luck, and realistically (TH limitations) probably double of this time. 6 hours for 1 behemoth BCNM = 1 behemoth = random chance at King Behemoth. You are probably looking 400 seals for 1 king behemoth or 24 hours of farming. WTF were they thinking.

edit : just realised they wanted it to be as much cock blocking as camping it : 24 H respawn NM, and 1/4 chance of HQ version of the NM (or something like this) means the average joe would spend on average 4 evenings of 6 hours until he sees an HQ >_>. That's propably how they thought it lol.

Greatguardian: Thanks :) I didn't see it mentioned either that drops from KS99's would be removed. You just never know with SE though..................

I like the idea and personally don't care too much (depends on the possible augments on kings gear) but to make the trig drop only from KS99 and then remove the BB items from NQ and make HQ not 100% is just so SE-like. Just missing the confirmation that the trigs are not 100% from NQ or BC. Gogo 1k KS for a try at KB and then still 1% chance for D Ring woot!

Hope developers really read those forums and add other possibilities to get the pop items or lower KS needed for those BCs to 30 or so at least. Atm Id rather stick with the 24hr repop than with this shitty method.

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Originally Posted by Henihhi

And let me repeat- you got exactly what you asked for by blowing these forums up complaining about hnm and abyssea, now maybe you will think a bit before you spew stupid.

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You're my hero.

I just hope they increase the drop rate for D ring, thats the only thing I never got =[

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

Except people who made money off their KS's. I used majority of my KS back when Royale Ramble had a decent payout, so yeah not every is sitting on thousands of seals.

Buying black belts item isn't even a relevant topic nowadays. Unless someone is specifically there for the black belt item those NMs can just sit up for hours. So not having to buy the items is a poor excuse for the changes.

People always had an alternative to king gear. Majority of people wanted to cry about king gear, but at the same time were too lazy to do the alternative. I personally got my Ebody from Einherjar.

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It's not even that. People have just been givin another chance at obtaining items for Black Belt. Let's be straight up about that belt tho. It's a broken item and always has been. It's one of those items that easily can push a MNK over the haste cap and is still considered one of the premier Haste items in the game for the one job that can use it.

I'm personally happy this is being done. Kings were outdated for awhile but and even tho I got most of the shinys I wanted off him ages ago a Ridill somehow being the last item I obtained, I still like fighting the damn thing. The change is coming so more power to people like myself who saved up a ton of seals for the hell of it.

Oh and I got my Kbody off Einherjar and my Dalmy off another shell's wiped Nidhogg. lol

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Originally Posted by Runespider

For people unable to claim with bots this is far fairer and they might actually get to fight them, as for the gear being obsolete...if that were teh case nobody would care one way or the other. It simply isn't the case, a good portion of them are still desired.

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Thank you for pointing out that there are quite a few folks, such as myself, who would love to fight these HNMs--since camping them was wayyyyy too time consuming. Now SE has given me a chance to at least experience these fights...regardless of the pops.

Gone are the days of camping for hours and hours and days and days...then to lose the mob to a botter...

I still don't understand why botting is being discussed. It really isn't relevant to the condition that HNMs are in at the moment. Sure they were pretty heavily botted, but those days were gone even before this update.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

MNK, WAR, NIN; the one's you see commonly in the occasional exp party wearing low level equipment, and cruor gear sets.


hurr i trollz, i thinkz i pro 2.

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/sigh, no-one is ever happy about any of FFXI jobs, crap gear or otherwise, always has to be someone complaining.

This is the worst idea ever. Its nice you need a item to pop the NM now but how you get it is crap. Ppl don´t wanna go back to the old camps and farm KS just for this. The 3 NM's drop crap these days, well maybe beside 1 or 2 items and decreasing the drop rate / removing the BB items don´t really help to encourage ppl to do the NM's and/or farm KS anymore.