[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Dale

No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

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They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

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Originally Posted by Afania

And you can't expect everyone in the community to accept a leech in their pt spot. Why do you feel like the need to criticize others for being intolerant toward a shield WAR when you're intolerant toward others yourself?

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Just because someone doesn't play the way you think they should does not make them a leech. Just to get that out of the way for starters.

And I'm intolerant against intolerance. I suppose that would be a good way to say it.

If you don't want to play with a warrior with a shield then don't play with them. Simple as that. And I got no issues with you choosing who you play with. But if you want to criticize someone just because they play in a different way then you think they should yes, I will criticize you for that.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Only I have right to be intolerate toward the others

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I don't agree with your first statement. If you can clear the content in 20 min with proper DD aiming for highest dmg output, and ended up clearing the content in 40 min cuz your DD want to role play with a shield, they're wasting everyone else's time.

If everyone else agreed that "We're ok with 40 min clear", then I have np with that.

If one person doesn't want to spend 40 min to clear, then it's disrespectful to waste his/her time because of role play.

Everyone have their right to enjoy the game with their $12 a month.

Some ppl have fun with shield WAR role playing, this is understandable.

Some ppl can't have fun by spending more time in a content, that is their right.

You can't take away other ppl's right to enjoy the game because you enjoy the game that way.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Just because someone doesn't play the way you think they should does not make them a leech. Just to get that out of the way for starters.

And I'm intolerant against intolerance. I suppose that would be a good way to say it.

If you don't want to play with a warrior with a shield then don't play with them. Simple as that. And I got no issues with you choosing who you play with. But if you want to criticize someone just because they play in a different way then you think they should yes, I will criticize you for that.

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I don't criticize someone for playing as a shield WAR, but I WILL criticize anyone joining a pt on shield WAR without everyone else's consent.

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Originally Posted by Afania

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

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That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Dale

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

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I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I don't criticize someone for playing as a shield WAR, but I WILL criticize anyone joining a pt on shield WAR without everyone else's consent.

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Well you certainly don't give that impression when you say a shield warrior should never do any content outside of role playing...

Bottom line is I would be more than happy to play with a warrior who uses a shield. It's not a valid reason to criticize someone. At least not in my opinion. But if you or your party members for what ever reasons don't want to group with one, that is entirely your right and I got no beef with that.

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Originally Posted by Afania

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

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I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Well you certainly don't give that impression when you say a shield warrior should never do any content outside of role playing...

Bottom line is I would be more than happy to play with a warrior who uses a shield. It's not a valid reason to criticize someone. But if you or your party members for what ever reasons don't want to group with one, that is entirely your right and I got no beef with that.

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What else do you expect? I can't change your opinion about a shield WAR, nor have interest to. I did point out it's an ineffective way to play the game math wise, but if you don't accept it then it's none of my business. It's your money and time after all.

Also it seems that you often like to force your own opinion on others and sugarcoat it into "justice" without realizing it. You're allowed to criticize others for disapproving shield WAR, you're allowed to be intolerant toward others because they're intolerant. And you do all that because everyone else is "narrowed minded", without realizing that you're not all that different.

It seems that you're no different from the ppl you disapprove of, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Dale

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

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A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.