Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

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Originally Posted by Tarage

SMN has been the gimp job for YEARS. If you don't think we have a legitimate right to complain about how we have been treated, get the hell out. Go make your own bloody thread. I'm tired of dealing with people who think they can nullify an argument simply by saying 'Whine more noob'. That isn't arguing, that isn't coming up with a counter argument, that is being a 5 year old.

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You have no claims at all do you? You just find something you feel needs justification by your standards alone and try to make a valid point when posting a thread or on a thread. Yes Summoner is in need of updates, the entire Summoner community and other people from other Job communities agree whole heartedly, but you just come in here and want to start some sort of controversy to get others whiled up on a topic that is rather pointless Merton vs. Odin, really? Make better and more thought out valid points next time, then people might stop giving you these "degrading" comments you so loathe, but so rightfully deserve. You ask for the comments you receive, you blatantly ask for them when you act the way you do, if you have no more respect for others in a community trying to build the game and community they play on to a better one for us all, not just cater to one individual, then maybe you shouldn't post at all, and keep quiet if you have no more respect, why should anyone treat you with a shred of respect if you're always going to be so disrespectful at anything anyways?

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Originally Posted by Eric

The original point I was trying to make is that there's no harm in letting SCH have Merton, and that Summoners shouldn't be angry, because while Odin's Astral Flow has it's problems, it wasn't as big of an issue(I'm not saying that it wasn't an issue before this)until someone saw Merton and thought "OH NO, SCH is doing something better than SMN! I demand Odin to be made on par with it!".

What some people are forgetting is that SMN can already do so many great things with Astral Flow. Merton won't change that. Not all abilities/spells/2hrs are amazing. So what?

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Why not fix Odin and then give sch something just as awesome but more unique? Go read the job adjustments and bst is also getting something very similar to smn (the mechanics) in wild run. Their pet is going to disappear just like odin and alex. I think every job should have things that are unique and wonderful. What does smn have that's worthwhile and totally ours? Even in the cookie cutter era something needs to be done to make the jobs different and to stand out. Each job needs a signature spell or aspect that belongs solely to them.

Edit: (general not directed to Eric) I'll take the death-ga on mobs that don't matter any day. I have never once gone into a thread about a different job and scolded folks for complaining. Why are all these other jobs doing that here?

I thought this was a discussion forum where folks were free to discuss the game and any aspects of it. Why come in and try to be the thought police and make judgements about the other persons point of view? Then on top of it take the other poster personally to task because you don't agree with them? Everyone has a right to defend himself/herself. Debate is one thing judgement is another. IMO and I can only speak for myself we should be discussing the game in these forums not individuals personally.

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then give sch something just as awesome but more unique?

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What's more unique and pertinent to sch than a spell that can only be used after unlocking it with a job ability. I mean, its not like you summon shultz and he rains fire from the heavens before spinning away on an umbrella.

Deathga is neat, but sucks. Sch appreciates that. A single target dark spell that's in line with sch's use of addendums and strategems that does what appears to be a significant amount of damage is not deathga, and doesn't appreciate that.

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Why are you complaining about this when BLMs have been oneshotting mobs in Abyssea for about a year now?

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Think the issue is one-shotting a GROUP of monsters. And if you claim any BLM can waltz in and AOE 10+ mobs and kill them instantly today, then I guess BLM might be a bit too strong for my opinion of balance. I think you were talking single targets though, and while I only do like 80% damage with one pact, I think it is fair for BLMs to do the full 100% since they should be slightly stronger.

Less fair that I have to wait 45 seconds for next nuke though... but that is another issue.

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Originally Posted by Ank

What's more unique and pertinent to sch than a spell that can only be used after unlocking it with a job ability. I mean, its not like you summon shultz and he rains fire from the heavens before spinning away on an umbrella.

Deathga is neat, but sucks. Sch appreciates that. A single target dark spell that's in line with sch's use of addendums and strategems that does what appears to be a significant amount of damage is not deathga, and doesn't appreciate that.

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That's like Marry Poppins on a whole new level! ;o

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Think the issue is one-shotting a GROUP of monsters. And if you claim any BLM can waltz in and AOE 10+ mobs and kill them instantly today, then I guess BLM might be a bit too strong for my opinion of balance. I think you were talking single targets though, and while I only do like 80% damage with one pact, I think it is fair for BLMs to do the full 100% since they should be slightly stronger.

Less fair that I have to wait 45 seconds for next nuke though... but that is another issue.

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You're a SMN, not a BLM. There is a difference why one can do something while another job cannot. That's like saying how come WARs can't Hundred Fists

You forget that those mobs probably check DC to T? It's easy to one shot that and if you notice, it wasn't really a one shot. It brought the mob down to 5% before the DoT spell actually took effect and this spell is only accessible through 2hour and you people complain? Ok, so lets say SE gave all these way over powering things people want for SMN to them. Gave them Death and Doom and were able to 1shot every time the Blood Pact Timer was ready Let's say they got rid of Blood pacts all together and you could Predator Claws back to back and slaughtered anything that crossed your path.

Let's say SE made SMN so godly that it made WARs MNKs and all those other Major DDs out there look like a bunch of weak sissies. Would you be here and complain they have made the job too over powered? Would you tell the Little WARs and MNKs out there to go QQ somewhere else and deal with it?

You guys are crying over a 2hour spell that probably has little to no effect on NMs..

I'll be happy when, instead of something nostalgic from well-loved FF lore, Odin's name is changed to "Odstra".

Now that would be balanced.

I really don't know what is so shocking about this. First, this video was in Abyssea and on weak mobs. I don't place very much faith in this. I do not expect this spell to be that powerful, nor will it do anything for SCH's problems.

And just an FYI, if my set bonus procs on BLM I could probably one shot 10 mobs in Abyssea. And let's remember again, that's where we saw this video! And I could probably do it on BLU too. It's not unbalanced given that other jobs can do the same thing, outside of their two hour.

And as a final note, I'm pretty disappointed with the notes. SMN and SCH are my two favorite jobs and they really didn't get much love this update. None of the great feedback that we heard was included for either job.

Here's looking forward(dreading) lv99!

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Think the issue is one-shotting a GROUP of monsters. And if you claim any BLM can waltz in and AOE 10+ mobs and kill them instantly today, then I guess BLM might be a bit too strong for my opinion of balance. I think you were talking single targets though, and while I only do like 80% damage with one pact, I think it is fair for BLMs to do the full 100% since they should be slightly stronger.

Less fair that I have to wait 45 seconds for next nuke though... but that is another issue.

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Ok, BLM can't 1 shot a group of 10 mobs (without set proc) instantly, they can 2 shot the group of set mobs. Either way, the mobs are dead, and dead without use of all their MP, without use of 2hr, and without a chance to miss/resist alot.

You know what, WARs can kill a group of 10 mobs with 2 WSs, they get TP fast (less than 3 seconds with Retailation) and can do it safer than BLM (either way, still need a WHM healer for the WAR, but still). Why is your anger towards SCH and not other jobs that can effectively kill stuff faster than you can?

...oh wait, you want to gimp everyone down to your level....right....