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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

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Do you want the SMN to have full buffs and the WAR without buffs, or do you want the WAR to be naked without a weapon while the SMN can be fully geared?

Or both?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Actually, as crazy as this sounds, One of my good SMN friends (well, my GF, yay sani :3) Is working on that Staff. We figured it'd be fun to do.

We'll try to get her to the 85 sometime and try this out. She owns a Zelus Tiara and other basic gear, saddly her SMN ASA pants are used for Elemental Siphon Atm, Doubt she'd change it... She doesn't have perfect Melee gear either so its a toss up.

I'm going to try and parse it though, No doubt, just to see exactly how far behind it falls. I'll probably parse it against my THF, WAR, MNK, and maybe something like my DRK and PUP, just to see where it stands against each one.

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I know Korpg has repeated his illiteracy enough that everyone thinks he knows what I said. It's too much trouble to find the misread post, but I'm sure the gimp twins have it bookmarked. When they post the link to save face, keep reading for GG to ask for clarification and the clarification I give.

When you do your parses, you have a choice: play to SMNs weaknesses or play to WARs weaknesses. A WAR/SAM isn't soloing squat, and an avatar isn't going to cap haste. Choose the answer you want before asking the question. That's what everyone else does.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Remember to compare WAR with staff vs SMN with staff too. I'm quite certain the only reason WAR is so far ahead, is their WS selection.

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Same skill, let's say 400 attack base.

Showing Attack:
WAR:
AF3+2 Body: 20
AF3+2 Legs: 15
AF3 Earring: 3
Atheling Mantle: 20
AF3 Ammo: 8
=66 ON TP SET.

SMN:
Um... Aesir Earring: 7
Aesir Mantle: 8
Keen Ring: 7
Torque: 7(From skill)
Danger Grip(LOL): 5
Ammo: At most I think 4? IDK but I'll give it to you.
=38 ON TP SET

Half. Accuracy is worse.

Berserk: +25%
Warcry: +35

SMN:

Warcry: +35

Best WS: Cataclysm for both.

Even if SMN had A+ Skill, and a weaponskill on par with Ukko's, pDIF would be SEVERELY undercapped, meaning you'd be doing 25~50% of the damage a WAR would be with it.

LLH, you do realise that 400+38 is not half of 400+66, right? It's 94%.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Actually, as crazy as this sounds, One of my good SMN friends (well, my GF, yay sani :3) Is working on that Staff. We figured it'd be fun to do.

We'll try to get her to the 85 sometime and try this out. She owns a Zelus Tiara and other basic gear, saddly her SMN ASA pants are used for Elemental Siphon Atm, Doubt she'd change it... She doesn't have perfect Melee gear either so its a toss up.

I'm going to try and parse it though, No doubt, just to see exactly how far behind it falls. I'll probably parse it against my THF, WAR, MNK, and maybe something like my DRK and PUP, just to see where it stands against each one.

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You're on Asura, if you see me around I can parse with you. WAR90 Ukon90, MNK90 Revenent Fists +2, and a poorly geared DRK with Twilight Scythe, probably will have a DRG90 with some crap gear by the end of today.

I also have SMN90 if you want another SMN, but I won't have comparable gear to your SMN gf.

Oh separate post because shame is shame, no matter how you post it:

Cataclysm modifiers are INT and MAB. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

LLH, you do realise that 400+38 is not half of 400+66, right? It's 94%.

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It's 627(Berserk+Warcry), 33% DA, 8% DA ODD, and 15% TA vs 473 Attack (After ifrit's warcry)

Ok you're right it's not 50% its 75%. Only considering Attack and pDIF.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Oh separate post because shame is shame, no matter how you post it:

Cataclysm modifiers are INT and MAB. LOL.

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Edited, you can TP in Aesir and stuff if you have the accuracy anyway.

SMN gets +14 more mab in gear than WAR does, and around 30 more INT than WAR does, so I guess that would be a factor.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

A WAR/SAM isn't soloing squat

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Neither is a melee SMN. Unless you want to prove otherwise.

Tell us, for this is the 10th time I asked you this question: What is the hardest mob you have ever melee soloed as SMN?

Not my fault if it is something that is DC or lower to a level 90.

The shame is ours to share, as I'm pretty sure attack and weapon rating are not modifiers. The best weapon for Cataclysm is OA4 Yantok +2. For WAR, it's Pluto's staff.

WAR's advantage is having the WS natively, as already stated. SMN/WAR is kinda pointless, and SMN/WHM even more so.

EDIT: Korpg, keep asking because you aren't annoying enough yet.