Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Assumption.

I could argue that they did that so you can get to 30 quicker to exp in Abyssea to 90. It would be equally backed up by evidence.

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That argue is wrong becouse then they whould only change it in areas where you level till 30.

Prove that you're not gimp.

And that's funny, I seem to remember most people doing Qufim >> East Ronfaure [S] >> Bhaflau Thickets towards the end of the pre-Abyssea era, since people got sick of grinding.

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Sadly that argue is wrong becouse then they whould only change it in areas where you level till 30.

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Not necessarily; all FoV books being uncapped vs FoV books to level 30 being uncapped does not hinder levelling to 30 at all. This is to say that uncapping all FoV books does not make it harder to get to 30 than uncapping just the ones up to 30.

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As if SE whould ever directly testify what they think, wake up, they are a big cooperation, statements are dangerous for them, thats why you still cant marry the same gender in this game.

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Same sex marriage is a political issue, this is strictly a game mechanics one. They do show their stance on certain aspects of game mechanics, eg summoner burning which they condoned, Ironclad pinning which they condemned (and also implicitly condoning pinning), Wall of Justice pinning which they condemned, Souleater BloodWeapon zerging AV which they condemned implictly, even as recently as freezing your brew timer which is (currently) intentional.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

As if SE whould ever directly testify what they think, wake up, they are a big cooperation, statements are dangerous for them, thats why you still cant marry the same gender in this game.

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Nice way to deflect responsibility and not back up what you say. Anything you have to say is now irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

One DD with good atma + 2 others to take over when they die from tanking everything?

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If you were going to single-target kill a monster population, 3 is the maximum number of DDs that any group of pullers/monster can really support. If you're going to AoE kill, you can do it solo or duo but having 3 Cleaves, Aeolian Edges, Aerojas, whatever go off at the same time makes it pretty much entirely safe. 3 DDs, maybe 3 pullers, a healer or two, and a bard, then enough leeches that chests always get keyed. Camp in the middle of any big agroing/linking monster population and try to avoid running out of monsters to kill.

Anyway, point is that maximum xp/hr is reached with groups far smaller than 18. There's no known penalty for bringing leechers along and keying chests is a cruor-drain so why not let people trade cruor for xp on their lowbie jobs?

If people wanted to exp Outside abyssea they would. I Don't think you people are looking hard enough. Or you people are just drooling over Nostalgia if 8k/hr Crab parties.

Every time some new Exp-Craze comes out that makes Exping Simpler, Theres always a large group of people who whine about it bringing to idiots to the game, Or its ruining normal Exp parties. Its not entirely that bad.

Yes, Your opinion is that Abyssea having a level 30 Minimum on it is bad, But theres a lot more people who enjoy being able to take the boredom of leveling a job from 30 > 70 through normal means.

Now don't start thinking something stupid like 'hur hur he must have leveled all his jobs in Abyssea'. No... I got a Maat's Cap before Abyssea, I never even SMN burned a single job. I leveled all of them through MMM or Traditional Exp. It was slow, and i know most people wouldn't enjoy it. And i certainly would not force it on anyway.

The difference between The Opinion of this thread, and say Viviks, Is that Viviks isn't trying to force his opinions on how EXP parties should be run on everyone regardless. The idea of raising level min. in abyssea from 30 to 70 is forcing your opinion on exp down everyones throat, and taking away their ability to chose for themselves. To be quite frank, Its not going to happen because of that reason. I'm sorry if you do not agree with my opinion on that.

But, The Way it is now, People can chose at level 30 rather they would like old-style exp, Or To try and get an Abyssea Leech. Me and my brother Recently leveled BLU + THF Together, Within just the last ~month. We exped Normally all the way until level 63/64 Together, Traditional Out-Of-Abyssea-Exp parties. All we did was build our own party. It was enjoyable. at 63 While LFG i got blind-invited to Abyssea Uleg- Party, I Accepted it and got to 90 in 1 night.

Does that mean me nor him suddenly don't know how to play the job? Certainly not. I have Multiple 90 Jobs and i make it a goal to at least learn basics about the job. Anything i don't know i learn through Questions and Trial and Error.


Last week my GF Took up Thief as a Sub job, Within moments of LFG she got an Invite to an E.Ronf(S) Party. These parties still exist.

And Regarding the problem of "Not enough people LFG in XXX Range". When i was getting my Maats cap, I had too more times than not "/sea all invite 40-70" Just to be able to find a DECENT part set up, And even then more times than not i had to Random-Tell a WHM or RDM to exp cause they were rarely looking for group too.

Less Low-Level parties is not ENTIRELY Abysseas fault. Most people in FFXI's late age have already leveled all the jobs they wanted, Every now and again theres 1-2 people LFG, But this is the what naturally happens when a game ages. Less People LFG Low-Level is because less people have low-level jobs to level these days. For instance all of my jobs are 66+, Except for PUP, COR, DNC, and SCH... 4 Jobs I'm very unlikely to level past a sub job.

So now, Instead of those people who do have Sub jobs to level, or People who want to take up new jobs this late in the game having to wait for an Invite while soloing and a mind-numbing pace, They have the Option to Level the job through Abyssea, Which is easier to find a party for. Forcing he Level Min. To 70 will only hurt people who want to level low level jobs, Because removing the Option for Abyssea won't change enough to make Low-Level exp parties more common, The only thing its going to do is force people, Who could be leveling in Abyssea, to Solo while LFG for hours.

It would do nothing but hinder the Average players experience in the game.


Now, Please Hear me when i say i understand how frustrating it is to join an Abyssea party to have 3~Leeches sitting in a corner doing nothing while the 4th Leech Barely Opens boxes. But those types of parties you just drop like its hot. Cause thankfully theres always a good few Abyssea parties going. I understand that What i'm voicing is an Opinion, But you need to understand I'm not forcing my opinion on the game and everyone else like this threads idea is.

My opinion is to keep things the way they are, Give people their own right to chose to Exp Normally, or Exp in Abyssea. This is a good system. I'm sorry if you don't feel people are Exping "normally" Enough anymore, Buts its rarely due to Abyssea being easier, and more to do with the game is in its late stage and naturally less people LFG, So they opt for the next solution to not having to solo, Which is Abyssea.

Raising the Minimum to 70 would be forcing the opinion of "Normal Exp parties" on Everyone. because instead of now having the option to level Out-side Abyssea, or Inside, They are forced outside rather they like it or not.


TL;DR: Its fine how it is. We have the Options of Leveling old way, or new way. People will always chose what they want. Taking away their choice is not the solution.

And the flaming wars continue lmao.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Nice way to deflect responsibility and not back up what you say. Anything you have to say is now irrelevant.

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That says a guy who thinks he can mute the oposite opinion? You are a sad person.
The evidences are everywhere, you are just blind to it.

well if it was raised from 30 to 70 the new players like myself would be dis encouraged to play and that would make SE lose money off potential customers...

If they're everywhere, you won't have a problem posting it?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

It makes the game monotone. Same as Guild Wars or WoW there is only one big main target left, in the past we had multiple same good targets: Assault, Dynamis and Limbus, now those three and others lost any use becouse everything is runing into Abyssea.

Many ppl got leeched up jobs, everyone of them is one who has at last not earned level 90 jobs

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Exping for hours and hours for one level isn't monotonous?

Players can still do Dynamis. Have you ever thought about the plans the developers have for FFXI? Perhaps they want to move away from the old content like Assault and Limbus, which is why they made Abyssea. Or they have future plans for it and they haven't released it yet. I mean they are already changing Dynamis.

Who cares if other players got all their jobs up to 90? Why does that matter to you?