[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arcon

No point arguing over defnitions. There's no rule about having to work for your rewards. How do you explain Mog Bonanza then? A cosmological injustice?

---

act of god its real and insurance does not cover it (says so specifically)

While this system could indeed work much better than the old HNM system, I think leaving the entry cost at 99 Kindred Seals is a bit excessive with their current drop rate.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by darkvision

if you cant motivate yourself to do it then imo you dont deserve the final item. granted you can pay the gil to get it, being the easy way out, but as i said if you cant be assed to motivate yourself you dont deserve it

---

Funny, when the 'elitests' used that argument for HNM; all the noobs cried that all items should be accessible regardless of the amount of effort/time you put forth. Choose one side or another. You can't have it all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Glamdring

pick up enough in about an hour.

---

Seals are limited to one per party per five minutes. So good luck with that.

I highly doubt people will even sell stuff like blackbelt items anymore unless your willing to pay like 10M-15M the time just would not be worth it unless doing it already and really.... most people wont be doing it already. The inaccessable looks to be getting more inaccessable.

Looks like it's going to be as inaccessible as anything these days. I see shout groups for bosses all the time so I don't know why this wouldn't make kings easier. Slower? maybe.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dazusu

Funny, when the 'elitests' used that argument for HNM; all the noobs cried that all items should be accessible regardless of the amount of effort/time you put forth. Choose one side or another. You can't have it all.

---

LOL yup, I was having this EXACT same thought.

But as I posted earlier in this thread... they could give everyone what they want by simply using both systems. Leave world spawns as they are for the players willing to camp, and supplement them with this proposed trigger system. That way all of us hardcore HNM guys can continue the way we always have, and the rest can still have their opportunity to fight the HNMs and obtain the gear without some of the "headaches" that come with camping.

I totally agree that if you cant find the motivation to do the content then you do not deserve the rewards. Now I'm glad I got nearly every HNM drop (sans D.Ring, of course) back in the day... because I sure have zero desire to spend countless hours farming EPs for seals.

/sigh I sure do miss the days of a competition-fueled Aery.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Catsby

Looks like it's going to be as inaccessible as anything these days. I see shout groups for bosses all the time so I don't know why this wouldn't make kings easier. Slower? maybe.

---

Zone bosses take 15mins to get a pop set for most drop things people want (empy items atma etc) takes 3mins to kill and everyone goes seperate ways.

KS30 I gave up after 5hrs of shouting to get a group together when it was actually still worth something (Royal Ramble) can't imagine how annoying after spending days farming for 1 KS99 orb its gonna be to try and get a group together that can kill the KS99 then kill faf and then if lucky kill hogg (or other kings whatever works for you)

sorry you can't really compair a king vs a zone boss in terms of time and ease

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mittenz

Zone bosses take 15mins to get a pop set for most drop things people want (empy items atma etc) takes 3mins to kill and everyone goes seperate ways.

KS30 I gave up after 5hrs of shouting to get a group together when it was actually still worth something (Royal Ramble) can't imagine how annoying after spending days farming for 1 KS99 orb its gonna be to try and get a group together that can kill the KS99 then kill faf and then if lucky kill hogg (or other kings whatever works for you)

sorry you can't really compair a king vs a zone boss in terms of time and ease

---

Except you can. While current in demand content is higher level and more "difficult" it's evened out by atmas, brew and an seemingly never ending stream of people who want to do it. Every day I log in there are shout groups for Rani, +2 mat bosses and other NM hunts. I know because I spent a week doing it for an empyrean weapon trial and witnessing others doing it as well. Fafnir and Co. should be just as easy when the update comes because it's going to be in a spotlight for everyone to see. The simple idea that you don't need to camp for king items anymore is like an electric can opener in a crazy old cat lady's house. We can also pretty much guarantee that no changes will be made to the monsters involved in the new system. Remember that these things were taken down by one or two parties of players at level 75 when merits and awesome gear were hard to find. These days top gear can be gotten by pick up groups and getting 20 merit points in a day is as simple as standing by a dominion sergeant NPC. In other words, pick up groups are going to destroy kings ( I would love to be proven wrong though)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Catsby

Except you can. While current in demand content is higher level and more "difficult" it's evened out by atmas, brew and an seemingly never ending stream of people who want to do it. Every day I log in there are shout groups for Rani, +2 mat bosses and other NM hunts. I know because I spent a week doing it for an empyrean weapon trial and witnessing others doing it as well. Fafnir and Co. should be just as easy when the update comes because it's going to be in a spotlight for everyone to see. The simple idea that you don't need to camp for king items anymore is like an electric can opener in a crazy old cat lady's house. We can also pretty much guarantee that no changes will be made to the monsters involved in the new system. Remember that these things were taken down by one or two parties of players at level 75 when merits and awesome gear were hard to find. These days top gear can be gotten by pick up groups and getting 20 merit points in a day is as simple as standing by a dominion sergeant NPC. In other words, pick up groups are going to destroy kings ( I would love to be proven wrong though)

---

can they kill the king? Sure. Can you go into KS99 with a bunch of people who you never met. Yep can they win with the right jobs? Of course! Are there going to be an endless flow of people with 99 KS for more than 2 days? Not likely. Are people going to whine that its to hard to get people after that. Why not.