Trials of the Magians and casual players.

You guys are forgetting that not all Magian weapons are weather trials. TPbonus kanto can be completed without having to rely on any dynamically changing situations in the game, except the exact position of mobs as they move around, for example. The OA2 weapons aren't reliant on weather either, but it does require you to do Bastion, which can be a real bitch when alone on certain jobs. It is however frequent, and you get a progress indicator on when they are about to happen.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Im sry, but that excuse is pretty lame. Why not just be honest and tell ppl that u screwed. The chance in the ppl willing to shout for non R/E/M/D ppl to get in for gil is slim right now. They not gonna do it while it's still the main thing going. Once SE release another content like Delve and surpass that then they'll do it, but I doubt it.

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I'm not saying buying a KI is the way to go but you're over estimating the difficulty level on Delve NMs if you think spots for clears aren't already being sold.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

You guys are forgetting that not all Magian weapons are weather trials. TPbonus kanto can be completed without having to rely on any dynamically changing situations in the game, except the exact position of mobs as they move around, for example. The OA2 weapons aren't reliant on weather either, but it does require you to do Bastion, which can be a real bitch when alone on certain jobs. It is however frequent, and you get a progress indicator on when they are about to happen.

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Actually they were brought up and pointed out that they weren't time dependent. That said with the exception of a few weapons those are weaker than most of the elemental paths.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

I'm not saying buying a KI is the way to go but you're over estimating the difficulty level on Delve NMs if you think spots for clears aren't already being sold.

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No I haven't seen it on my server, if I did I wouldn't make the comment. Idk why u think im over estimating when I haven't say such a thing, what im saying if u don't have specific gear or job on earlier posts I made they won't let u in cause they are expecting a WIN not a lost.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

No I haven't seen it on my server, if I did I wouldn't make the comment. Idk why u think im over estimating when I haven't say such a thing, what im saying if u don't have specific gear or job on earlier posts I made they won't let u in cause they are expecting a WIN not a lost.

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Right and I'm saying you don't need 18 players with specific gear or jobs to beat any of the outside delve NMs within the 20 minute window. That's why I said you're over estimating their difficulty. To use your server as the example for all servers is flawed.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Right and I'm saying you don't need 18 players with specific gear or jobs to beat any of the outside delve NMs within the 20 minute window. That's why I said you're over estimating their difficulty. To use your server as the example for all servers is flawed.

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Ok, please show me the proof that random ppl w/o the latest gear can win against Delve NMs outside the fracture within 20min w/o the main requested jobs.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Ok, please show me the proof that random ppl w/o the latest gear can win against Delve NMs outside the fracture within 20min w/o the main requested jobs.

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What constitutes "main requested jobs" to me that includes a healer thus making your request impossible.

Edit: Assuming you aren't meaning something crazy like that.

Ceizak Battlegrounds:
Grasshopper DDs + Healers
Gnat DDs + Enfeebler + Healers

Morimar Basalt Fields:
Matamata DDs + Nukers + Healers
Pieste DDs + Enfeeblers + Healers

Foret de Hennetiel:
Craklaw DDs + Healers
Orobon DDs + Stunners + Healers

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Originally Posted by Zagen

What constitutes "main requested jobs" to me that includes a healer thus making your request impossible.

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Then why say something that u can't prove on. If I said that a group that none have the requested items the majority wanted I would've have proof right there. Im not gonna say something w/ nothing to back up.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Then why say something that u can't prove on. If I said that a group that none have the requested items the majority wanted I would've have proof right there. Im not gonna say something w/ nothing to back up.

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From my edit:

Ceizak Battlegrounds:
Grasshopper DDs + Healers
Gnat DDs + Enfeebler + Healers

Morimar Basalt Fields:
Matamata DDs + Nukers + Healers
Pieste DDs + Enfeeblers + Healers

Foret de Hennetiel:
Craklaw DDs + Healers
Orobon DDs + Stunners + Healers

That's all KIs from outside.

Sorry it wasn't that I couldn't provide the NMs it's that I wasn't sure you were being obtuse with what you defined as "main requested jobs".

Edit: Strats just in case you need that too: (info from BG)

Ceizak Battlegrounds:
Grasshopper - Smash away don't do WS
Gnat - Keep it enfeebled to prevent it's -DT from going up.

Morimar Basalt Fields:
Matamata - Deal physical or magical damage for 7 TP moves then use the opposite.
Pieste - Keep it blinded and it's evasion will be reduced and prevent usage of Grim Glower and Oppressive Glare.

Foret de Hennetiel:
Craklaw - DDs move around to find the side that it will take damage from
Orobon - DDs (ideally crit heavy DDs) keep attacking it's face until it takes enough critical damage to destroy the lamps, this reveals HP and stops Mayhem Lantern. Stunners are helpful for reducing overall damage taken from AoE moves and stopping Mayhem Lantern prior to lamps being destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

From my edit:

Ceizak Battlegrounds:
Grasshopper DDs + Healers
Gnat DDs + Enfeebler + Healers

Morimar Basalt Fields:
Matamata DDs + Nukers + Healers
Pieste DDs + Enfeeblers + Healers

Foret de Hennetiel:
Craklaw DDs + Healers
Orobon DDs + Stunners + Healers

That's all KIs from outside.

Sorry it wasn't that I couldn't provide the NMs it's that I wasn't sure you were being obtuse with what you defined as "main requested jobs".

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Sry about that. I should've explained it in detail.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Sry about that. I should've explained it in detail.

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NP I try not to assume, I edited to add strategies that work on each of those NMs. Obviously or should be anyway the better geared the players the fewer are needed but yeah outside of a few types there isn't any one required job, as long as you can land enfeebles you're an enfeebler, as long as you can land stun you're a stunner, etc.