Hercule let me just point out not everyone who FCs is RMT, for instance, me. It is a way to make money and cruor for doing a simple monotonous task others do not want to do, and having them pay you in return.
Xp parties were rarely as fun as people make them sound, at the time they were a drag, and you wanted it to be over with. Yes they took more work, gave you more to do, had some actual features to jobs to use, but the problem was that it got boring. After leveling up it only took you 10 minutes or less to figure out everything new you got if you didn't already know. It took you a hour or so to learn most of how it worked and how to use it, and then it went back to the same monotonous formula for leveling. Now leveling can be done fast, and honestly somewhat to fast, but it is better than being dragged long for weeks or months to reach a higher level.
Also to add to this, not everything you learned in xp parties was relevant to endgame, somethings you can never learn till endgame. Learning as you leveled was a good thing but it dragged you along to much and made it boring for most people I think. Now you can hit high levels fast, learn everything in 1 go that you need to know most likely, and move on, it is a mass production of players at high levels, but until you learn what your doing you probably will not move outside of learning areas like abyssea xp parties, where you can learn not everything, but alot in time.
[Suggestion] How to reintroduce HNMLS gameplay in FFXI Lv99
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07-11-2012, 06:42 PMDemon6324236
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07-11-2012, 06:46 PMDemon6324236You can actually do that on the test server... Honestly though no, leveling is still there, just up to people to choose how they go about doing it. FCs are an easy way, keying is an easy way, GoV is a long way, and old school is the tedious way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercule
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07-11-2012, 06:52 PMHerculeSo you really think SE should keep alive an exp gameplay system where the concept is 2-3 people working for money during 15 people AFK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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07-11-2012, 06:59 PMDemon6324236
Honestly depends how SoA is. There are 2 ways for the expansion to go, either it will be 100% endgame content, or it will have xp involved. If it has xp involved in it then they will need to bring back xp parties, they are doing much the same with tanking it seems, so I wait for that to choose where I stand on it. For now, I say leave it as it is, xp is ok, you have choices how to do it, not everyone gets their jobs FCed or keys for xp parties, those who do pay money to do it and everyone benefits, I see no problem with that.
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07-11-2012, 08:41 PMHercule
Experience points/ Merit points currently have no value, and we cant comeback in past about this, so thats why I hope SE plan on a new type of experience point, for SoA.
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07-11-2012, 08:56 PMDemon6324236So long as its done right, would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercule
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07-11-2012, 09:55 PMKarbuncle
(Don't think its all pointed at you here Demon)
Exp is already done right. If people don't like it being so quick, Go solo your way to 75~99 and stop forcing your tired ideals down our throat. Plain and simple. Right now you have two choices. Leech or Participate. Removing the "Leech" in favor of "Participate" is robbing 1 side of their preferred choice.
Maybe you don't like leeching as an option, well, Maybe i don't give a d**n about how you feel about leeching. Your opinion is no more valid then the guy who likes leeching, Because you're both offering personal opinions on how leveling up should be. Right now SE has given us a choice. No one forces you to use an Abyssea party. You can solo your way from 1-99, Probably at the same speed an Exp party used to do back in the day... Equip a Linkshell and go solo, all the social fun and slow grind exp without you forcing the crap down everyone elses throat.
Because its quite simple. Not everyone finds your idea of "Fun" to be their own idea of "Fun". Fun is Subjective.
As for the Expansion, SoA Was already described as an Endgame/High Level expansion. In an interview about it, I think on Alla, It was mentioned it would not be an Expansion for new players, But old players (level 99), That the other expansions already cover mid-game content, and SoA would focus on 99+ Content.
So again, Keep exp as it is, with options. You can either chose to Solo, Choose to Participate in Abyssea party, or Choose to leach. You have options. Sorry if you miss old school exp on Crabs and Crawlers for 3k Exp/hr, Times change, Games change, get over it. I can sit here nostalgiaing and hoping for a time to go back when I was doing SA/TA Distortion skillchains in Garlaige Citadel, with Freeze magic burst on crabs in Kuftal, But it won't happen, and I'm not going to act like everyone should be forced to experience it cause i want to again.
It's a time of the game that has come and gone, sorry if the truth hurts. Time flows one way, You're getting old, Things you like others might not like. Santa isn't real. Maybe i can get all these out of the way so you realize life sucks and that won't change, and the world does not revolve around you.
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07-11-2012, 10:45 PMHercule
Ya, i know what is the concept of "fun" in a videogame for you Karbuncle.
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07-11-2012, 11:16 PMKarbuncleSo you've resorted to bad trolls. If i couldn't disprove your point enough, you're going to do it for me by running out of ideas and having no valid rebuttal for my argument, and actually accusing me of using cheats by implying I'm a cheater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercule
Its amusing because I've only ever leeched abyssea for one job, White Mage around level 50, Which i still cured and opened boxes. I'm not defending Abyssea because I'm an avid leecher, Its because I'm not so arrogant or ignorant enough to think that my opinion on fun is more valid than anyone elses, Like you do.
So Thank you. Ruining your credibility is much easier than i expected, since you did most of the work yourself.
Edit; And in case my above post wasn't obvious enough. It wasn't telling you your idea of fun was bad or wrong, It was telling you your idea of fun is no more valid than anyone elses like you seem to believe, and the game should offer the choice for all types. Leechers, Paritipcaters, and Soloers... Like it currently does, and nothing needs to be changed.
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07-11-2012, 11:35 PMHerculeNinja EDITQuote:
Originally Posted by Karbuncle
Sorry, i dont have enough irl time to virtual fight against you and read you 3130 post around the forum, so i will just beleive what you say and tell you, you're not the one I thought,
I'm was just thinking you was someone that was ready to virtual fight till die just to be sure World pop HNMs will never come back in FFXI, because its like you should be "forced" to camp them by "someone" apparently... we'd say you cannot avoid them if they coming back, like a nightmare.
You sayBut look like this not incluing people that like World pop HNM's, or everything that have something to do with the old FFXI.Quote:
the game should offer the choice for all types. Leechers, Paritipcaters, and Soloers...
But sorry you're not the one I thought,
Sorry for the disagreement. My apologies.