in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

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Originally Posted by Malacite

Except had you actually bothered to try the direct payment option, you would have found that Click&Buy is the only method available to us. The JP by stark contrast, can still register their cards directly with SE and thus pay SE directly.


You might want to actually research things before starting a losing argument like this, lest you look like a jackass.

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actually I did. To me click and buy is do different then paypal. I just didn;t see the logo cuz I set my ffxiv account on my ps3 for that I'm sorry abouty the mistake. but still no need to disrespect me for trying to help you guys. I'm not gonna be nice, if all i see is just blind rage over change.

Would like to say something once more to those who are not against this change and are filling up every thread about it with arguments. (Looking at you, Rosina and Korpg among others)

This change does not affect you.
This change negatively affects other people.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option does not affect you.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option positively affects other people.

People are screaming for a way to directly pay SE with our CC. If SE were to add a method to do this it would have no negative impact whatsoever on you, but would have a positive impact on many. How can you possibily argue against something that doesn't negatively affect you in any way but positively affects many others? It's rediculous.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Would like to say something once more to those who are not against this change and are filling up every thread about it with arguments. (Looking at you, Rosina and Korpg among others)

This change does not affect you.
This change negatively affects other people.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option does not affect you.
Adding the option to make direct CC payments to SE, alongside the crysta option positively affects other people.

People are screaming for a way to directly pay SE with our CC. If SE were to add a method to do this it would have no negative impact whatsoever on you, but would have a positive impact on many. How can you possibily argue against something that doesn't negatively affect you in any way but positively affects many others? It's rediculous.

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don't fault SE because your region didn't allow the game. I do feel sympathy for those players. I was more or less addressing those who do have said option and are ragaing. please ask questions instead of the insults though I again was just trying to help others. To me this is daja vu as ffxiv had a similar wave of rage. if your area doesn't support the game write a letter tho who over controls this in your area asking to allow online games from this company.

I do like the change though. I can play with game with out having a debit card. This honestly made my day.

But again do not insult me, or rage on a forums. Act like the adults you claim and instead of going ARRAAR!! Rage MOAR!!!

calmly discuss with the community reps on your issues and ask if there is anything you can do for you accounts.

I think there are work arounds, like if you set up your account under US codes or something set up a US account. I forget the work arounds, but i read a few when ppl were raging over ffxiv.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

actually I did. To me click and buy is do different then paypal. I just didn;t see the logo cuz I set my ffxiv account on my ps3 for that I'm sorry abouty the mistake. but still no need to disrespect me for trying to help you guys. I'm not gonna be nice, if all i see is just blind rage over change.

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Thing is, you weren't nice to begin with. You were all like "omg learn2read&research guys" and then made a claim that is 100% false because you yourself didn't read and research. And you even posted it in several threads. Don't be surprised that you are being flamed for it.

Also, noodles355 makes a VERY good point.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Seriously guys, rage moar?

Sorry for using internet speack but it is just a video game. If you do not like the new billing practices. Then simply do not play.

Sorry for the wrong info on my part, but honestly THE MAIN POINT was saying if you guys do some research, there are ways to pay for the game other then click and buy.

Crysta in a nutshell will be my payment. And I know how it works. Simply do this option instead of click and buy.

So yes you guys are just fearing change instead of looking into things. Sometimes you do not get what you want in life.

I will break down how crysta works, which is by far the safest option. Or do you not remember that SE was hacked twice before?

anyway $1= 100 crysta

if your account is say 15.95 a mnth, round this up to 16.00. that means you need at least 1600 crysta. look at the list of cryta amounts and pick the best option for what you want. I would just save up and get a $100 worth. Or simply use your credit card on paypal for the ultimate pay. This put 10,000 cysta on your account. And you will not have to toucvh to for several months. if a flat fee of $100 is simply not for you. just take your account fee round it to the nearest dollor then double or triple it. and pay two to three mnths in advance. It is very easy.

Also contact SE about your region. Stating click and buy don't work for you. Also do not blame se because of the country you live in. That is your regions fault for not hosting the game in the first place.
Simple put instead of raging just use the option you can and ask questions to the dev team.

No need for all this imaturaty over a video game. I only wanted to help you guys out. since there is no need for it.
Do not fault me for trying.

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so much wrong with this post.... where to begin....

For starters, some people are getting completely blocked out with the change, that have been able to pay and play just fine with the billing in POL...one in this very thread....but I guess you completely missed that post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post156494

This isn't an issue of fearing change...it is that they are selectively denying access to a certain payment method and allowing it for others. Theere is not justification for this--all the pieces are in place within their business structure, as well with the new system--as evidenced by multiple posts about it in various threads. In some cases, it is locking out people from a payment option they may have been using for up to nearly a decade. But I guess you've missed those posts as well. Again, some are even in this very thread, just a handful of posts back:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157159
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157217
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157396
(yes, I know they are my posts...they were just quick and easy for me to find, but there are more about this issue from others)

Again with the crysta....100 payment cycles... for $1295 USD. Thats how much you have to buy to avoid wasting your money to play the game via crysta in the US. That's computes to 98.6 months....8.2 years. That my friend is a rip off. Again, that was covered in exhaustive detail in other threads. Again, this (among other issues) has been covered in various posts...here's one of mine in another thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157135

and again here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157406

you get the idea... Crysta really is a crappy option unless you are able to always buy it in amounts really close to what you need to cover your billing. Buying it in bulk for a game this old and whose priority for playing it long term for so many players just doesn't make a whole lot of sense at this point in time.

And that point about the game not being hosted in your region???!!! Did you REALLY just post that so soon after the big mess witht he server shutdowns due to the earthquake in Japan???!!! FFXI was not designed to run on regional servers. If the posts weren't buried so far back, I would dig it up.. but trust me...this game will not be split up and hosted on localized regional servers. SE had specific reasons for keeping it centralized that were discussed/debated adnausiem several months ago.

As for immaturity....ummm... no. It's more about SE's code of conduct in this matter. IE.. Good Business Ethics, as it was briefly touched on here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157343

Which I think pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell. The crux of the problem is that for nearly decade SE has preached routinely about their desire to keep this game platform and regionaly neutral...and yet they make decisions that are ovbviously biased toward one specific region with absolutely no justification, as I again pointed out here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157396


TLDR: don't try to come off as an informed person and then call everyone immature for thier arguments based on factual circumstances when you haven't put forth any effort to compile an informed opinion...and please, in case you are feelilng the urge now.... don't go crying if you get hit with someone's pimp hand.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Thing is, you weren't nice to begin with. You were all like "omg learn2read&research guys" and then made a claim that is 100% false because you yourself didn't read and research. And you even posted it in several threads. Don't be surprised that you are being flamed for it.

Also, noodles355 makes a VERY good point.

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I told you why I wasn't nice. I had to see all this rage for a second time. And my mistake was the click and buy logo didn't show up on my ps3. Simple put in all RAGING is not the best way to handle this. Be calm cool and collected. Try to contact SE or the community reps to find out what you can do. Learn about the options you can do.

I;m not against them adding more options. I am against mindless rage, of adults acting like teenagers.
There is no reason, excuse to mindlessly rage over something like this. I personally always had an issue paying for this game till my boyfriend steped in and payed for my game. You guys are being insultive to anyone who remotely tried to help you think a bit clearer. Ypu guys are acting like SE is just out after your money and don;t care if they screw you over. That is "tin foil hat" thinking.

know your options, do research. (yes I did do it also and just never fixed my op, but honestly why should i after reading the rude replies I got and everyone is getting trying to help you guys.)

do not insulot others for trying to help. If you can't play after this change I do have sympathy for you. I was in a similar boat and wasn't very happy.

I'm happy playonline is getting phased out. I hate the fees that came along with trying to pay SE. like 1.00 to reactivate your account if they screwed up the payment or my bank screwed up the payment or the glitch that cased this fee to happen twice.

Every mnth for 6 mnths in my second year of playing i had to deal with reactivating my account. I didn't rage, I just sekked for help. And my b/f offered to help me out.

Unfortunately, being passive isn't working. People have tried that. They've been treated rudely...had conversations simply cut off without reaching any form of a resolution. All the while.... SE is silent.

We HAVE calmly proven they can do what is being asked of them.

Yet... SE remains silent.

We have contacted them directly through proper channels.

Yet... SE remains silent.

Once all peaceful options are exhausted....maybe it's time to rage against the machine? Go to the window, stick your head outside and shout "I'm mad as hell and I won't take anymore!"

And yet.... SE remains silent.

Next.... accounts will die off either due to attrition or a boycott. Maybe THAT will finally gget through to them....

Only time well tell.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

so much wrong with this post.... where to begin....

For starters, some people are getting completely blocked out with the change, that have been able to pay and play just fine with the billing in POL...one in this very thread....but I guess you completely missed that post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post156494

This isn't an issue of fearing change...it is that they are selectively denying access to a certain payment method and allowing it for others. Theere is not justification for this--all the pieces are in place within their business structure, as well with the new system--as evidenced by multiple posts about it in various threads. In some cases, it is locking out people from a payment option they may have been using for up to nearly a decade. But I guess you've missed those posts as well. Again, some are even in this very thread, just a handful of posts back:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157159
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157217
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157396
(yes, I know they are my posts...they were just quick and easy for me to find, but there are more about this issue from others)

Again with the crysta....100 payment cycles... for $1295 USD. Thats how much you have to buy to avoid wasting your money to play the game via crysta in the US. That's computes to 98.6 months....8.2 years. That my friend is a rip off. Again, that was covered in exhaustive detail in other threads. Again, this (among other issues) has been covered in various posts...here's one of mine in another thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157135

and again here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157406

you get the idea... Crysta really is a crappy option unless you are able to always buy it in amounts really close to what you need to cover your billing. Buying it in bulk for a game this old and whose priority for playing it long term for so many players just doesn't make a whole lot of sense at this point in time.

And that point about the game not being hosted in your region???!!! Did you REALLY just post that so soon after the big mess witht he server shutdowns due to the earthquake in Japan???!!! FFXI was not designed to run on regional servers. If the posts weren't buried so far back, I would dig it up.. but trust me...this game will not be split up and hosted on localized regional servers. SE had specific reasons for keeping it centralized that were discussed/debated adnausiem several months ago.

As for immaturity....ummm... no. It's more about SE's code of conduct in this matter. IE.. Good Business Ethics, as it was briefly touched on here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157343

Which I think pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell. The crux of the problem is that for nearly decade SE has preached routinely about their desire to keep this game platform and regionaly neutral...and yet they make decisions that are ovbviously biased toward one specific region with absolutely no justification, as I again pointed out here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157396


TLDR: don't try to come off as an informed person and then call everyone immature for thier arguments based on factual circumstances when you haven't put forth any effort to compile an informed opinion...and please, in case you are feelilng the urge now.... don't go crying if you get hit with someone's pimp hand.

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The comments in bold just prove that you are acitn like a child. There is no excuse for it.
This is NOT the first Time I'm seeing this rage wave. None of you are thinking very clear or seeking help or information. you are just fearring the change (unless the change is a lock out then you have my sypathy) I was addressing the mindless rage over the ones WHO CAN USE THESE OPTIONS.

I hope that clears this up.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Unfortunately, being passive isn't working. People have tried that. They've been treated rudely...had conversations simply cut off without reaching any form of a resolution. All the while.... SE is silent.

We HAVE calmly proven they can do what is being asked of them.

Yet... SE remains silent.

We have contacted them directly through proper channels.

Yet... SE remains silent.

Once all peaceful options are exhausted....maybe it's time to rage against the machine? Go to the window, stick your head outside and shout "I'm mad as hell and I won't take anymore!"

And yet.... SE remains silent.

Next.... accounts will die off either due to attrition or a boycott. Maybe THAT will finally gget through to them....

Only time well tell.

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it has been 1-2 days this rage happen with in seconds of the transfer. no one was calm. They acted like children. And this isn;t the first time I get to see this, how you think I feel coming on the forums and see massive wall of hate?

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Originally Posted by Rosina

don't fault SE because your region didn't allow the game. I do feel sympathy for those players. I was more or less addressing those who do have said option and are ragaing. please ask questions instead of the insults though I again was just trying to help others. To me this is daja vu as ffxiv had a similar wave of rage. if your area doesn't support the game write a letter tho who over controls this in your area asking to allow online games from this company.

I do like the change though. I can play with game with out having a debit card. This honestly made my day.

But again do not insult me, or rage on a forums. Act like the adults you claim and instead of going ARRAAR!! Rage MOAR!!!

calmly discuss with the community reps on your issues and ask if there is anything you can do for you accounts.

I think there are work arounds, like if you set up your account under US codes or something set up a US account. I forget the work arounds, but i read a few when ppl were raging over ffxiv.

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I never insulted you.
This is a positive change for you and that's great. What people are screaming for, as I said, is an additional method of payment. Adding such a means does not negatively affect you, yet you continue to argue against it.
Let people rage and scream, it is a method of getting SE's attention and it might work. If it works then they will get their other payment method and everyone, including you, will be happy. There is no need for you to argue against it at all.