New weapons with higher base damage then relics

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Originally Posted by Monchat

you guys need to stop this ff14 argument, it's been used for 3 years. If people dont like 11 they will just unsub, not go to 14. 3 years after , XIV 1.xx was still bad. The 2.0 version is still not released and they stoped all form of communication since christmas. Anything points out to it being yet another american mmo clone. 3years to make a wow clone? k nothnx. Just give up.

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Thank you!!!! anyway, I still say they should just raise XI's sub by a dollar to hire another couple of devs.

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Originally Posted by Triffle

It is the case. Each part influences a different aspect of the run. Head influences quality of drops, such as what kind of stones you get. Body influences how many objectives you have, how much time you have and how many drops you will get. Legs influence the number of buff points there are what what buffs you will get. If you want a better crack at +2 stones, I'm going to guess you need tier 4 or higher heads.

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No it is not the case. I have done a total of around 5 runs that are either tier II or III and like 15 runs with tier I head. I have seen one instance with a +2 stone with visage I and one with visage II. I saw zero stone +2 on tier III head runs. "quality of reward" may not be what you think it is. It is possibly more chace at +1 stones and +2 stones. However just check my experiences above. Higher tier head are definitely not worth the price tag. People don't even know for sure what they do. I see plenty of random claims saying it increases the number of +2 stones but no it's not the case or if it is, it is impossible to notice it really.

Like I said there is a chest level system, and this is what will bring +2 stones I believe because that's how we got one with a tier I head. We had our chest level up to [rank : *] and someone obtained a +2 stone. However in another instance we had a level up to [rank : **] and didn't get anything special.

15 1s? 5 2s and 3s? Thats your sample size for your basis on the fact it does not have higher drop rates? That seems way to small... I can go 1/1000 on a Bullet from Akvan but it doesn't mean its a .1% drop rate, it means I was unlucky, in my opinion, there is a good chance you are unlucky, when large sizes are recorded then we can have a more definite answer on it all.

15 times 6 chests each of which have at least 3 slots, that can drop a +2: around 300 slots and total 3-4 +2 stones.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

No it is not the case. I have done a total of around 5 runs that are either tier II or III and like 15 runs with tier I head. I have seen one instance with a +2 stone with visage I and one with visage II. I saw zero stone +2 on tier III head runs. "quality of reward" may not be what you think it is. It is possibly more chace at +1 stones and +2 stones. However just check my experiences above. Higher tier head are definitely not worth the price tag. People don't even know for sure what they do. I see plenty of random claims saying it increases the number of +2 stones but no it's not the case or if it is, it is impossible to notice it really.

Like I said there is a chest level system, and this is what will bring +2 stones I believe because that's how we got one with a tier I head. We had our chest level up to [rank : *] and someone obtained a +2 stone. However in another instance we had a level up to [rank : **] and didn't get anything special.

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Feel free to argue with the good people on BG wiki.

Am i reading this right? The skirmish weapons have afterglow, is that correct, or did that poster edit the picture? Because if that's true, that's . . . that's . . . really fucked up. Afterglow is for people who went to 99-2, and ONLY they should get it since SE straight up trolled the shit out of them for them to make it. I don't know how much more I can take of this BS, I notice my relationship with SE has really been beat up the past few years with the lack of attention to detail, like the 76-95 cap quests (horrible, 1 guy came up with the whole thing on his lunch break) and the missing utesumi icon for 5 shadows, the mobs on top of each other in dynamis jueno, there's one other thing I can't let go but it's not in the fore front of my memory atm. But yeah, stuff like that, is why I bitch.

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Originally Posted by Concerned4FFxi

am i reading this right? the skirmish weapons have afterglow is that correct? That's . . . really fucked up.

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Thank altana! I was boiling over.

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Originally Posted by Triffle

Feel free to argue with the good people on BG wiki.

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All the BG info comes from my group or JP wiki pretty much >_>. The info that higher tier heads give more quality comes from SE's update thread description on skirmish and has been disproved by many higher tiers report on BG and here. Mdk and 1 or 2 other posters are the only players good enough to do skirmish that post on BG. The others are just busy building allakatard-like theories on pyres.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

you guys need to stop this ff14 argument, it's been used for 3 years. If people dont like 11 they will just unsub, not go to 14. 3 years after , XIV 1.xx was still bad. The 2.0 version is still not released and they stoped all form of communication since christmas. Anything points out to it being yet another american mmo clone. 3years to make a wow clone? k nothnx. Just give up.

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Wow your really outta the loop. Need to read up on your news and reviews

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Originally Posted by Elphy

I still believe that the removal of level restrictions, the ease of leveling and getting top of the line gear was to rush the playerbase through and move them quickly to xiv and after its failure they had to slap together tons of time syncs (ie 1500 plates from a slapped together content like vw, 3060 cinders, + rediculous relic/mythic upgrades) to counterbalance what they had done and keep subs rolling in as long as possible. I can guarantee my sub will likely go to either arr or eso this year unless they fix this game fast. And since that seems unlikely until I get a new toy I will keep playing with my broken one, but by no means do I take it seriously anymore.

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As it is right now, FFXI has the fastest leveling method that even tops World of Warcraft. You can breeze through it assuming you did all your limit breaks already in a few days, or even one day if you keep on trucking. The good thing is, you don't really need to subscribe every month, just 3-4 months every year whenever a good update is released. Play for 1 month every 3 months or so. Or play for 2 months every 4 months if you choose. We all can see that every new contents are designed to halt progress for at least a good one year before they ease up the gated wall and adjust it so that "almost" everyone can try it. Instead of boiling with rage or trying to come up with creative ideas, which they usually ignore, all of our rants (positive or negative) are never really being taken seriously anyway - we can just ignore the crappy contents, take a few months off, and come back again whenever we see some adjustments. We always come back right?

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

As it is right now, FFXI has the fastest leveling method that even tops World of Warcraft. You can breeze through it assuming you did all your limit breaks already in a few days, or even one day if you keep on trucking. The good thing is, you don't really need to subscribe every month, just 3-4 months every year whenever a good update is released. Play for 1 month every 3 months or so. Or play for 2 months every 4 months if you choose. We all can see that every new contents are designed to halt progress for at least a good one year before they ease up the gated wall and adjust it so that "almost" everyone can try it. Instead of boiling with rage or trying to come up with creative ideas, which they usually ignore, all of our rants (positive or negative) are never really being taken seriously anyway - we can just ignore the crappy contents, take a few months off, and come back again whenever we see some adjustments. We always come back right?

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If you want fastest leveling method try Guild Wars 2. Everything you do in that game gives you experience for your job level from crafting, to doing quests to PvP. You'll even get experience for standing around if you do it in the right spot.

Those, uh, Skirmish weapons? Yeah, those are weak now, 108dmg daggers and 247dmg GSs just replaced them.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Those, uh, Skirmish weapons? Yeah, those are weak now, 108dmg daggers and 247dmg GSs just replaced them.

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Its like SE just said: "Okay, Now you guys can go ahead and throw away your weapons."

Yeah... so about those R/M/E/S weapons...

Now we're playing Final Warcraft XI?

So there are weapons in the update with over 200 base damage. Surely those are the R/M/E fixes- ... Oh... Uh, nevermind.

Pairing the new HQ/NQ dagger offers a 33% DPS increase over the former-best dagger combination for DNC.

Hey guys, let's release even more powerful weapons without thinking about it but let's take our time to "think about" fixing R/E/Ms.

One of the new H2H : DMG:+146 Delay:+96 Accuracy+35 Attack+25 Guard skill +4 Physical damage taken -3%

My Vere currently have DMG+42, are you serious SE?

Yeah... XIVs looking better everyday now

I can't stop laughing.

The new one-handed axes will be like wielding an Ukonvasra in each hand while on Beastmaster. A level 99 Ukonvasra in the main-hand with a level 90 Ukonvasra in the offhand, to be specific.

I don't know if I'm happy or sad or need to poop or what. I don't know anything anymore.

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Originally Posted by Chrisstreb

Yeah... XIVs looking better everyday now

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Because it's not run by the same company, so there is no risk of the same shit happening in that game.

Dear SE.


For the first time ever you have managed to make me angry to the point where I actually consider quitting. I worked my ass off, 99-ing my Ukonvasara a year ago and I finished my 99 Masamune less than 2 weeks ago. I also did ADL 3 days a week for almost a full YEAR, getting marrows for my ls friends and myself. And as it seems, you just made all that time and effort a complete and utter waste and totally worthless.

You better give us the R/E/M upgrades FAST, and they better be damn good too.

Edit: and yes I know nobody cares if I quit or not, least of all SE, but I'm actually really upset.

Why do I have a feeling "Adoulin" is some long lost ancient tongue term for a deathblow? It's like they are trying to kill this game. It's not that there are new weapons with pointlessly high base damage, it's 1. How they released weapons that render Relics obsolete, 2. They release weapons that makes THOSE weapons obsolete within a month. and finally 3. They completely screw over the loyal, dedicated players who worked on, and put time, effort, and gil into their Relic by not having an immediate way for these weapons to stay relevant. What Matsui said wasn't offensive to anyone, if he thinks that offended anyone he must thing the Relic-wielding community is so thin-skinned that saying anything to them will make them cry. He knows he didn't simply offend anyone by undermining them, he apologized because he felt remorse.

They add 2 new jobs and encourage us to use them so they can set stats on Job Specific Equipment, but the simple fact is that you can't, they don't have a place yet because they don't have the merits, the JSE buffs, or the equipment draw to contribute to anything more than a Worm party. If the Devs intend to give gear for GEO/RUN based on how they are used, expect alot of "Vs. Worms:" effects.

I've honestly done and lost every single reason I've had to log on. This is just stupid. Like pure stupid. this new Director has pretty much just took the game and Jumped the Shark.

There is no returning from this, What joy can I find in this when by the time I'm able to access the content that drops this stuff, they've already sh*t on it? If i wanted that tired played out MMO Design, I'd bandwagon one of the 800 "WoW Killers" released a week and play it for its 4 day life span.

God 99% of the population hasn't even entered Skirmish and they've already gone and obsoleted the reason for even looking at it... Bah, IDC how hard these weapons are to get, a D:108 Dagger is just, while simultaneously making a few fever induced FF Related dreams oddly possible... is making my head hurt really really bad.

Probably due in part to the DMG:175 Club, meaning at the rate they keep "upgrading" Daggers, WHM will be a better DD next update... I mean, part of me is ever going to keep an eye on FFXI, but, for the time being, f**k all this noise, no interest in playing a GrinderClone, i chose FFXI because of what it was, not because i wanted.. whatever the hell its turning in too.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Dear SE.


For the first time ever you have managed to make me angry to the point where I actually consider quitting. I worked my ass off, 99-ing my Ukonvasara a year ago and I finished my 99 Masamune less than 2 weeks ago. I also did ADL 3 days a week for almost a full YEAR, getting marrows for my ls friends and myself. And as it seems, you just made all that time and effort a complete and utter waste and totally worthless.

You better give us the R/E/M upgrades FAST, and they better be damn good too.

Edit: and yes I know nobody cares if I quit or not, least of all SE, but I'm actually really upset.

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I know that feel. LS mate got his Ragnarok a few days ago, and just yesterday got the 95 version, I've been helping because I wanted to watch it unfold, I wanted to watch the process step by step, but mostly because I consider him a friend, I was happy for him and it was another relic in the LS. I don't own a 99 R/E/M, but I feel I have a place to be pissed along with you guys just because of how this is being done. I don't consider the time, effort, and deaths a waste, my friend got his relic to 95, something he's wanted and worked on, but now he'll be easily outdamaged by the new weapons even at 99. The most fair thing SE could do right now is make these new weapons inaccessible until they add a way to raise the damage of relics.

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Originally Posted by Chrisstreb

Yeah... XIVs looking better everyday now

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Not if they paid me.... When I am done I am done... Greatest troll ever in gaming listening to the /ragequit and /wrist has me rolling. I will take a wait and see approach myself...

My main concern actually has nothing to do with other weapons being obsoleted.

If the damage on these new weapons is real, pet damage and elemental magic damage and blue magic damage and any other kind of damage not based on a weapon is going to take a relative nosedive. That is just how strong these new weapons are; they march over to take a swing at things not related to weapons in any way after they're done obsoleting other weapons.

Well 99 R/M/E is dead, AH crafted weapons beat them now, not just beat them totally destroy them. With even bettter ex weapons coming from delve.

Thoughts?

They don't know if they have the man power to make our relies competitive with AH junk?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Well 99 R/M/E is dead, AH crafted weapons beat them now, not just beat them totally destroy them. With even bettter ex weapons coming from delve.

Thoughts?

They don't know if they have the man power to make our relies competitive with AH junk?

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Thoughts? We need a new director to fix this, that's my thought on this.

I can only speak for myself - but what I need is for SE to tell me when the R/E/M upgrades are coming (and it better be soon!), and that the upgraded versions will be comparable to these new weapons.

I just wanted my beloved RUN to have a use, but it's still more of a dirty little secret than my beloved.

At least now we know why they said don't throw away your old R/M/E.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

At least now we know why they said don't throw away your old R/M/E.

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The Apoc I'm working on will make a nice Mog Garden mower, I guess. Anyone got a Mandau I can use? I need a hand-shovel to plant all the weed I'll have to smoke to still play this game.

Also, anyone able to read Japanese? Are the JPs as pissed as the rest of us are?

It's hilarious how all the skirmish and wildkeeper reive gear is obsolete now...

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

My main concern actually has nothing to do with other weapons being obsoleted.

If the damage on these new weapons is real, pet damage and elemental magic damage and blue magic damage and any other kind of damage not based on a weapon is going to take a relative nosedive. That is just how strong these new weapons are; they march over to take a swing at things not related to weapons in any way after they're done obsoleting other weapons.

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They will have to stat mage stats and buffs the same way to even the playing field. I do see +71 MAB weapons already. The other way is insane pdt on mobs that these weapons just tickle...

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Originally Posted by Zumi

At least now we know why they said don't throw away your old R/M/E.

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Don't throw them away so we can make them totally obsolete, add a new helmet equip called the Gond Tarag, and the graphics of it will be that of the Troll face (or in SE's tactic of reskins it will be the pumpkin head just with a new skin)?

And I came back to the game for this? There is no pic to adequately relay my reaction to all this...there just isn't. It is a mix of "I guess that is cool" "/facepalm" "when you see it...." and the "Double rainbow" song combined together all at once.

I'd really like to see how the JPs are reacting to this. I'd also like to hear something from Matsui.

I'd ALSO like to hear that Tanaka is coming back.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Dear SE.


For the first time ever you have managed to make me angry to the point where I actually consider quitting. I worked my ass off, 99-ing my Ukonvasara a year ago and I finished my 99 Masamune less than 2 weeks ago. I also did ADL 3 days a week for almost a full YEAR, getting marrows for my ls friends and myself. And as it seems, you just made all that time and effort a complete and utter waste and totally worthless.

You better give us the R/E/M upgrades FAST, and they better be damn good too.

Edit: and yes I know nobody cares if I quit or not, least of all SE, but I'm actually really upset.

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I'm with you on this. Blade and Soul is looking mighty sexy(er) right now.